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by "planted", do you mean "now I know why it's so slow - it's because we are heavy", where as without the pillion, there is lack of excuses to throw in? ... don't worry my old flying brick has 75 ponies (and still can do two-up with 20+ stone pillion, as long as I have the uprated rear shock, but that's without luggage and I am worried about the subframe - however checkint payload of other models which used the same frame and same generation of cardan shaft, the frame/subframe/... should have much higher capacity, they just designed the suspension for lower weight, so the rear shock upgrade (and cautious stopping/slowing down) all should be HOPEFULLY fine

I tell them pretty much the same but in simpler words: "hold me tight and do whatever you feel I am doing with my body, just dong bang your helmet on mine please; shortly, these moves will come natural to you and you then no longer have to hold me as tight" . Those who it doesn't come up natural after a while and still tend to pull my rear end out of the bends even at slow speed, simply fail to qualify for my pillion, simples...

Yeah that's not what I am worried about - my other half knows what to do and since it will be her return on the bike after years, of course I'll take it easy and we'll have some before and after chats to fine tune our synchronisation. What I am concerned about, is what bike can take such a payload, which will be above or even well above the offiical payload. I can change the rear shock, perhaps get tyres with higher load index, maybe even rims, but I can't get different subframe, or reinforce it, at least at a reasonable costs, I think?

Nice (esp. the backpedalling). Good idea to let her get off for a U-turn! Just may I ask what bike do you ride and do you worry about the admissible payload of the bike (by the official paperwork), or not really? As that's my concern - we will definitely exceed that, and with some luggage for a longer trip, there is no bike in the world which has such a payload as us plus the little bit of luggage. After I get down to my planned/desired weight and her staying where she is, we'll be at the maximum payload of BMW K1300GT, that's naked, without wearing any bike gear . I know there were people who did outlanding on R1150/1200GS two-up with really heavy luggage carrying up to double of the admissible payload, but they had welded reinfoced rear subframe, and many of them broke that anyway, due to extra stress on offroad trails with all the weight on it - well I certainly do not plan offroading two-up, yet even with some extra cargo, for that she'd definitely need to get her own bike indeed.

Yeah, great. I guess my heaviest is still lower than your lightest weight mate (plus I am workig on getting fitter but that aint the point anyway as I'm not giving up my gf who's looks are the way I prefer, as I've advised above). But thanks for the pointless advice, much appreaciated (not). 61WyYgZw-eL._SY355_.jpg

Been a while since there was any contribution to this topic... So, what's the news. What bikes do you people use for riding two-up with a heavy pillion, possibly with some luggage on top of that and how many and what modifications you applied?