Yet Another London Attack....

Reports of a van hitting people on London Bridge, plus stabbings and gunshots.

My thoughts go out to all involved

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014

Been watching the footage on TV.. I walk to work over London bridge so it's strange seeing my walk to work on TV.

I've noticed recently an increased police presence, I wonder if they knew this was going to happen?

Last I heard the police had shot two blokes hopefully not dead so we get to drag them through the courts and watch them rot in prison.

6 innocent victims dead. 3 suspects shot dead by police

Ffs I work at Tower hill for LU we do a track renewal and f me I even heard something explode

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sick of these c^*^s.... any of these that show any inkling of extremist views should be rounded up and shot before they can do any harm to us.

Let's face it thier not hard to find..

We didn't know anything about this till now!

We were out at a wedding yesterday didn't see any news.

B**tards!

Bunch of c*cks. I felt so sad last night at what seems to be happening to our country on a regular basis now.

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Time we changed the law to make extremism itself illegal.

Sympathise with extremists, or be an extremist yourself, and you get a long custodial sentence.

Knowingly have contact with extremists and don't report that immediately to the authorities, and you get a long custodial sentence.

Then all these people that are being monitored by MI5, or anyone who holds up these banners in the street, or anyone that knows there's an extremist in the family or at their mosque and fails to do something about it, get locked up.

Not interned without trial gitmo style, but legally, with innocent until proven guilty maintained. We already have laws against inciting racial hatred, we already have the Terrorist Act that allowed us to lock up extremist preachers already, who went beyond the boundaries of freedom of speech. Just extend the law and enforce it like a ton of bricks.

Not saying its a silver bullet that will solve the problem, but it would be a significant step forwards.

Just seen on the news, MI5 are investigating 500 active terror plots. But their hands are tied, because these people haven't yet broken the law or they can't legally obtain the evidence. Lets just change the law to untie their hands and let them swoop on these people.

So, 500 active terror plots and three happen. That is an outstanding success rate. Going after everyone for any suspicion of involvement will radicalise even more. It did not work in Northern Ireland, there is no evidence it works anywhere it has been tried.

I came up with the solution years ago when I was doing some work with a company that had developed 'sniffer bee' technology. A bees sense of smell is thousands of times more sensitive than a dogs, and they can be trained to stick their tongues out in the presence of almost any chemical cue. For example, blow Semtex fumes over their antennae and feed them sugar water a few times and then every time they smell Semtex they'll stick their tongues out in anticipation of being fed. Add some motion analysis software to measure the extent of the extension reflex and you've got yourself a mobile detection unit that is not only dirt cheap compared to the cost of training a dog, but can be completely re-trained to detect something else in about half an hour, and is massively more sensitive.

That's as far as their thinking took them. It took a genius of my standing to suggest using African killer bees instead and releasing them in London, thereby integrating threat detection and elimination in one neat package.

They weren't keen. No vision, these people...

I came up with the solution years ago when I was doing some work with a company that had developed 'sniffer bee' technology. A bees sense of smell is thousands of times more sensitive than a dogs, and they can be trained to stick their tongues out in the presence of almost any chemical cue. For example, blow Semtex fumes over their antennae and feed them sugar water a few times and then every time they smell Semtex they'll stick their tongues out in anticipation of being fed. Add some motion analysis software to measure the extent of the extension reflex and you've got yourself a mobile detection unit that is not only dirt cheap compared to the cost of training a dog, but can be completely re-trained to detect something else in about half an hour, and is massively more sensitive.

That's as far as their thinking took them. It took a genius of my standing to suggest using African killer bees instead and releasing them in London, thereby integrating threat detection and elimination in one neat package.

They weren't keen. No vision, these people...

Yet again this forum has risen to the challenge of solving the world's problems.

Very nice idea... You should probably patent that one.

So, 500 active terror plots and three happen. That is an outstanding success rate. Going after everyone for any suspicion of involvement will radicalise even more. It did not work in Northern Ireland, there is no evidence it works anywhere it has been tried.

That's 500 being looked at, and potentially another 500 in the pipeline, NOT 497 prevented. They can't be prevented as the law doesn't currently allow any action to be taken.

Theresa May said in her speech this morning, which started just after my post, in the last 3 months, there have been 3 attacks, and 3 prevented. Success rate is currently 50%. She also hinted strongly at very similar changes in the law to those suggested in my post.

So, 500 active terror plots and three happen. That is an outstanding success rate. Going after everyone for any suspicion of involvement will radicalise even more. It did not work in Northern Ireland, there is no evidence it works anywhere it has been tried.

34 dead in 3 months in the UK an outstanding success rate would be none, we need to take as hard a line as possible with these fuc*^ers , as said changes in the law needed.

34 dead in 3 months in the UK an outstanding success rate would be none, we need to take as hard a line as possible with these fuc*^ers , as said changes in the law needed.

We do need to be tough with them, but we also need to get a grip. If they maintain their present success rate then by the end of the year we'll end up with considerably fewer deaths from terrorism than from swine flu or falling out of windows. Five people got wiped out on the M6 the other day when a lorry driver accidentally turned their car into a convertible, and it was barely a footnote on the news. But as soon as a bearded man kills five people whilst shouting about Allah it will consume every available inch of newsprint and be dissected ad infinitum for weeks on end. We'll have interviews with family, friends, ex-colleagues, people who sat next to him on the bus or saw him in the supermarket, social media will be overrun with meaningless messages of solidarity, and then there'll be the inevitable benefit concert.

In short, we spend half our time wallowing in synthetic grief and the other half banging on endlessly about the indomitable British spirit, and the media must take its share of the blame for pandering to our pornographic obsessions. If we take as our starting point the fact that the people who carry out these attacks are invariably frustrated and socially inadequate losers ardent for some twisted glory, we have to ask ourselves how likely this kind of response is to discourage future attacks.

If we take as our starting point the fact that the people who carry out these attacks are invariably frustrated and socially inadequate losers ardent for some twisted glory, we have to ask ourselves how likely this kind of response is to discourage future attacks.

Discouraging them isn't the aim, taking them out of circulation is.

Other forms of discouragement clearly needs to happen for those not yet believing the extreme ideology, and ideally fix the problems that make them socially inadequate losers, like I said tougher laws are not a silver bullet, but if somebody's already following that ideology, lock them up.

To put that in perspective, in line with your example of the M6 accident, we are talking about criminalising and jailing about the same number of people who get convicted of death by dangerous driving, 2/3rds of whom get a custodial sentence, for being a bit of a knob behind the wheel and unfortunately and unintentionally killing someone. This isn't rounding up masses of innocent muslims, it's jailing a relatively small number of known extremists, who are currently allowed the freedom to practice hate in our country.

The intention is important. That's why people find it difficult to "get a grip". Falling out of a window, or dying on the M6, is tragic, but accidental. Swine Flu is nature. This is mass indiscriminate murder. You can't compare them simply because the same number of people died as a result.

Well I for one won't be changing my ways. It takes more than a few blokes in a white van with kebab knives to put me off going into London and enjoying myself at the bars etc. and I think that's true for most Londoners.

The sooner the idiots realise we don't give a sh1t about their silly little cause they are fighting for and that our lives will go on unchanged long after the police have gunned them down, the better.

I was round a mates house last night watching this on TV. We were all of the opinion that if someone interupted our nights drinking we would all bundle them at once, get them to the floor and drown them in beer!! Send them to their afterlife with a belly (and lungs) full booze.

While,I'm not exactly a signed up member of the met police fan club, when its come to this kind of incident they are the bravest of the brave

The fact they have been screwed by this government and by Teressa May herself while at the( home office) makes me sick.

Severely underfunded and now we are reaping the after effects

But it's easier to blame the boogeyman e.g the internet.

Had we had more local police who can build up relationships with the local community's they get to hear about these "confused" people and can act upon it.

8 minutes is an amazing response time to shoot the bast*rds but if you were caught up in it I bet those 8 minutes felt like a lifetime.

Was surprised to see that the SAS landed 2 helicopters on London Bridge but the level has not been raised CRITICAL..

Get the armed troops back in the street until we khow to deal with this as more incidents will happen now it's been shown how easy it is to kill many people with just a van and a knife.

Well I for one won't be changing my ways. It takes more than a few blokes in a white van with kebab knives to put me off going into London and enjoying myself at the bars etc. and I think that's true for most Londoners.

The sooner the idiots realise we don't give a sh1t about their silly little cause they are fighting for and that our lives will go on unchanged long after the police have gunned them down, the better.

I was round a mates house last night watching this on TV. We were all of the opinion that if someone interupted our nights drinking we would all bundle them at once, get them to the floor and drown them in beer!! Send them to their afterlife with a belly (and lungs) full booze.

anyone you know? http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/guy-running-from-terror-with-beer-in-hand-becomes-symbol-of-londons-spirit/

It occurred to me early this morning that years ago, when we had the IRA terror campaign, whenever an IRA bomb went off on the mainland i.e. London / Manchester etc I don't seem to remember there being wall to wall coverage for a week aferwards like we have now.

The incident was reported in the news and we quickly moved on.................. I'm wondering why has this changed now??

They say terrorists need publicity........well. they're certainly getting plenty of that these days!!

Oh I don't know.

Half of me hates the thought that these things promote racism, (cue: "blahblahblah it's Islam it isn't a race I'm not racist innit tho"), then the other half of me reckons the Isle of White should be made into an internment camp. I deplore the idea of guns on the street and capital punishment, but I'd be happy for the perpetrator's families to be exported or executed. Or both.

I am full of contradiction. And it smarts.

On one hand we should all get on with our lives, on the other I don't want my daughter to go to a festival in Finsbury Park. Any thought I have on the subject is flawed and the opposite to another thought I have on the subject.

My solution is for nobody to ask me for my opinion, it's clearly wrong. I'm not the guy to solve this.

On one hand we should all get on with our lives, on the other I don't want my daughter to go to a festival in Finsbury Park. Any thought I have on the subject is flawed and the opposite to another thought I have on the subject.

My nephew is getting on with his life!

He was at the Ariana grande concert in Manchester when the bomb went off! and he is at the one love concert tonight which all proceeds go to those injured in the Manchester bombing

His attitude is f**k em they aren't stopping me living my life!

On one hand we should all get on with our lives, on the other I don't want my daughter to go to a festival in Finsbury Park. Any thought I have on the subject is flawed and the opposite to another thought I have on the subject.

 

My nephew is getting on with his life!

He was at the Ariana grande concert in Manchester when the bomb went off! and he is at the one love concert tonight which all proceeds go to those injured in the Manchester bombing

His attitude is f**k em they aren't stopping me living my life!

I'd struggle to think of a safer place to be than the 1love thing, I'd imagine security went into overdrive.

I do wonder why anybody would want to go without earplugs though, that is a musical line-up for deaf people. If the likes of Robbie Williams is playing on the rally disco I'll not be climbing into the caravan.