Motorbike usb cable

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Baloo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:55 am

Stu wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:53 am
its not been lost its been used :?

IMO its not a leak if its been used in what its supposed to be doing

I would agree to a leak if power was been used that shouldn't be thus flattening the battery
We will never agree, this is a waste of letters on a page. A electrical engineer would call that a loss. Just like your reg / rec has to convert power from your stator into 14v DC. It has to "lose" the unwanted power from the stator, and the way it does that is to dump it out to a heatsink.

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Stu » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:59 am

Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:55 am
Stu wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:53 am
its not been lost its been used :?

IMO its not a leak if its been used in what its supposed to be doing

I would agree to a leak if power was been used that shouldn't be thus flattening the battery
We will never agree, this is a waste of letters on a page. A electrical engineer would call that a loss. Just like your reg / rec has to convert power from your stator into 14v DC. It has to "lose" the unwanted power from the stator, and the way it does that is to dump it out to a heatsink.
yes your right we will probably never agree!!

the USB is doing exactly what a reg/rec does and looses the rest as heat so its doing its job!

A leak is something that shouldn't be there

Either way it uses power when nothing is plugged in and thats the question answered
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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Baloo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:03 pm

Stu wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:59 am
Either way it uses power when nothing is plugged in and thats the question answered
But so little power that it would take months to drain a battery, in which case you probably want to use an optimiser anyway.

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Stu » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:04 pm

Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:03 pm
Stu wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:59 am
Either way it uses power when nothing is plugged in and thats the question answered
But so little power that it would take months to drain a battery, in which case you probably want to use an optimiser anyway.
We agree on two things!

Something wrong :shock:
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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Mgrhiki » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:11 pm

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Joeman » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:23 pm

Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:20 am

Thank you. Nice to talk to someone about it that obviously has some understanding of electrical circuits.

I would stick a multi meter on one myself and post up the results, but the only one's I have are cigarette lighter socket ones which have an LED on them, so they will give spurious results.

Your original post clearly demonstrated zero understanding of electronics when you suggested because nothing was plugged in it should draw zero current..
But then you went on to spout crap about dripping taps and trying to use scientific phrases like conservation of energy...
Just admit you were wrong and don't actually have a scooby doo rather than belittling other people and trying to argue your way out.... :lol:
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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by JRH » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:39 pm

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Mgrhiki » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:42 pm

Me?wt did i do its you guys give different answer i just ask simple question lol haha [emoji37][emoji206][emoji206] thanks guy

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by JRH » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm

:offtopic:

Just to upset every one, for some electronic devices, in this case proximity switches the supplier in the data sheets does list the "LEAKAGE CURRENT".
this is the amount of current that will flow in the circuit when the device is effectively OFF.

https://www.ifm.com/products/uk/ds/IF6044.htm

This is important in my line as these are often connected to Programmable Logic Controllers and if the leakage is too high the controller can not tell when the device is either on or off, and so will not control!

For this reason only i used Baloo's analogy so none electrical peoples understand what we are trying to say. But the leakage current doesnt fall out of the end of the wire, it produces heat in the component as a byproduct of keeping the electronics in a standby condition.
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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Hoggs » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:57 pm

Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:55 am
A electrical engineer would call that a loss.
Hmm where can we find al electrical engineer.....
JRH wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm
:offtopic:

Just to upset every one, for some electronic devices, in this case proximity switches the supplier in the data sheets does list the "LEAKAGE CURRENT".
this is the amount of current that will flow in the circuit when the device is effectively OFF.

https://www.ifm.com/products/uk/ds/IF6044.htm

This is important in my line as these are often connected to Programmable Logic Controllers and if the leakage is too high the controller can not tell when the device is either on or off, and so will not control!

For this reason only i used Baloo's analogy so none electrical peoples understand what we are trying to say. But the leakage current doesnt fall out of the end of the wire, it produces heat in the component as a byproduct of keeping the electronics in a standby condition.
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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Mgrhiki » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:58 pm

hahah🤔🤔[emoji23]

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Baloo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:37 pm

JRH wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm
:offtopic:

Just to upset every one, for some electronic devices, in this case proximity switches the supplier in the data sheets does list the "LEAKAGE CURRENT".
this is the amount of current that will flow in the circuit when the device is effectively OFF.

https://www.ifm.com/products/uk/ds/IF6044.htm

This is important in my line as these are often connected to Programmable Logic Controllers and if the leakage is too high the controller can not tell when the device is either on or off, and so will not control!

For this reason only i used Baloo's analogy so none electrical peoples understand what we are trying to say. But the leakage current doesnt fall out of the end of the wire, it produces heat in the component as a byproduct of keeping the electronics in a standby condition.
Which is exactly what I was saying, the heat is "leakage", thanks.

The whole point of an analogy is to simplify a complex concept, it doesn't have to be exactly the same.

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Baloo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:37 pm

Hoggs wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:57 pm
Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:55 am
A electrical engineer would call that a loss.
Hmm where can we find al electrical engineer.....
JRH wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm
:offtopic:

Just to upset every one, for some electronic devices, in this case proximity switches the supplier in the data sheets does list the "LEAKAGE CURRENT".
this is the amount of current that will flow in the circuit when the device is effectively OFF.

https://www.ifm.com/products/uk/ds/IF6044.htm

This is important in my line as these are often connected to Programmable Logic Controllers and if the leakage is too high the controller can not tell when the device is either on or off, and so will not control!

For this reason only i used Baloo's analogy so none electrical peoples understand what we are trying to say. But the leakage current doesnt fall out of the end of the wire, it produces heat in the component as a byproduct of keeping the electronics in a standby condition.
CASE CLOSED :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Baloo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:43 pm

Joeman wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:23 pm
Your original post clearly demonstrated zero understanding of electronics when you suggested because nothing was plugged in it should draw zero current..
No it didn't it posed a question
Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:57 am
So to say the USB socket is drawing current despite nothing being powered from it, then you have to be able to explain what that energy is being converted into.

Please tell me what that is, and prove some evidence to back up your theory?
hmmm
Joeman wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:23 pm
Baloo wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:20 am
But then you went on to spout crap about dripping taps and trying to use scientific phrases like conservation of energy...
Just admit you were wrong and don't actually have a scooby doo rather than belittling other people and trying to argue your way out.... :lol:
I have A level Physics, a degree in IT and I've worked in datacentre services for the last 12 years or so, with 22 years in IT. But no I'm not an electrical engineer clearly.

No, don't admit I was wrong, all I've been saying all along, is if the converter is drawing current then that must be going leaking somewhere, probably to heat, and that has turned out to be 100% accurate.

:up:

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Re: Motorbike usb cable

Post by Baloo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:00 pm

JRH wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm
For this reason only i used Baloo's analogy so none electrical peoples understand what we are trying to say.
The electrical engineer used my analogy :booty:

It can't have been that bad :lol: :lol:

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