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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:07 pm

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I can recommend Zell am see, especially That camp by the lake, We were there last summer 3 days and it’s perfect. There is another camp on the other side bit away from the lake but with fantastic views.
Ive stayed at Seecamp before.. it ticks a lot of boxes. Most important of all.. it has a BAR!! and terrace with a view of the Glockner. Which shouldnt be as snowy as in the photo.
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So, somewhere we can sit inside in the evening, they also do big breakfasts which some of the guys may want to take advantage of.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Marino » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:31 am

Don’t think it will be so much snow in September, I was there last September and it was just on the top. Still fantastic views and beautifully rides
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:53 am

Added another restricted toll road to the list of options, this one is 30 miles long and climbs to 2000m. Toll is €5

It's a very pleasant looking, easy 1hr45 ride from Zell. In English it's called the Ziller valley high road.

https://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/a ... traße.html

There are others, https://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/a ... stria.html

I have 7 of the 12 on the list of options and all being well we should manage most of them.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:55 pm

@Beans

I try not to take things for granted and so.. if for whatever reason the Alps are closed to us. for instance the weather in the mountains is too dodgy.

I have a "Plan B'

Bavaria and the Czech Border lands, based around these guides. https://www.dropbox.com/s/binfsymsxbrpf ... d.pdf?dl=0

And if the bad weather encompasses Germany and Austria.. then the Alternative Plan B is to get through the mountains as fast as possible into Italy. https://www.dropbox.com/s/82vxw4hrleizg ... a.pdf?dl=0

as a last resort. Of course anything can happen over the course of a fortnight, so we will just have to see how it all pans out. We should have a clearer idea of whats what in the final days before the off.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Marino » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:35 am

About one hour from the camp in Zell am see there is the slide, for adrenaline junkies, Walchsee area, ( Durchholzen 60, 6344 Durchholzen, Austria),
Tested, fun guaranteed
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:02 pm

Thanks for that, but to be honest I cant see any of the guys wanting to do something like that. Our trips are all about the riding and thats all we tend to do... even stopping for lunch is seen as a bit of a hindrance. we do a lot of riding and a lot of drinking. :mrgreen: I have earmarked one day.. the middle Sunday as a 'free' day... where the guys can ride if they want or have a day or half a day off. Sunday, because the better roads tend to be rammed with 'weekenders' and thats always a pain when during the week we have these places mostly to ourselves. So.. the middle weekend we might ride from one base to another on the Saturday, and then have the Sunday off. Boring as it might sound thats the day I like to chill out, maybe shove all my dirty laundry in a washing machine and then go to the restaurant for a proper dinner. Shove the washed clothes in a dryer afterwards and then sit and chat with the guys (over a can or 10) about the previous week and whats in store for the next.. begin thinking about what we can fit in before we turn for home. You might think its boring doing laundry.. but it makes perfect sense to me, means i only need bring 7 days worth of clothes for a 14 day trip. This is one of the positive side effects of camping. there is always a laundry room. So, why not take advantage of that?

We also like to use campsites that are within relatively easy reach of a supermarket.. Lidl or Aldi, usually. last time we went to the south of france we had our own bar. Panniers filled with ice and cans of beer. very cheap beer compared to the bar. It also means we can eat much more cheaply. Its easy to pick up the makings of an al fresco meal. Bread cheese meats fuit cake and beer. (always beer) I dont bother cooking at all. I bring a stove, kettle, bag of coffee and a cafetiere so i can have fresh coffee in the morning and eat whatever i have to hand. Most campsites have a little shop for fresh bread and so on.. or its never far to the local bakery. Or a van that does the rounds every morning selling fresh bread. Or a cafe where they sell breakfasts to the lazy. We generally have one hot meal per day.. at lunchtime. Stopping off at some random roadside place. Most of the busier passes have an eatery at the summit. its never a problem - food. Even on a Sunday when most places are shut, there will always be a Turkish kebab place thats open. Even if its in the next village and so means a quick ride there... or have Pizza/kebabs delivered to us. And if theres nothing then we just do a bit of extra shopping on the Saturday. Its always the first question I ask the campsite owners on a Saturday.. where can we eat tomorrow? (Sunday) get answers and then we know whats what. And at worse, means calling into a supermarket at the end of the day as we ride back to base.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:43 pm

Its not easy trying to plan and anticipate what to do in the event of bad weather. in a previous post I mentioned relocating south into Italy as a last resort. but that comes at a high cost in fuel prices. £1.60 a litre is a bit off putting when its 40p cheaper in Austria. And also.. I can only take so much Pizza!!

So, Ive been looking around on the Maps and think I have an answer. head south-east to a town called Spittal an der Drau. The mountains around this place are a little lower, though still very Alpine.. and its quite touristy being close to a major lake called the Millstatter see.
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The beauty of this place is it puts us literally on the doorstep of both Slovenia and Italy to the south and is close to an Autobahn so we can get west quickly when the time begins to run out and we need to begin heading for home. its also very close to the Nockalm road. Another restricted toll road that we really need to have a day on.

The video is worth watching as he a stops a lot for a proper look round.



Thats a road I fully intend to visit even if we stay at Zell am See,

The area is very touristy so plenty of campsites dotted all around and some (from what I can see) very nice roads to the south.

50 miles to the Mangart in Slovenia. 60 miles to Lake Bled. And 50 miles to the Vršič pass. which looks interesting @bonio will appreciate it I'm sure. https://www.dangerousroads.org/eastern- ... venia.html

As you can see on the map, we could easily include a ride to the top of the Mangart as ts relatively close by. https://goo.gl/maps/cwU5T6U24KR2frhG6

last time i went to Slovenia, with @Snod Blatter we got hopelessly lost, I had a great route on my Sat Nav, but unfortunately at that time Garmin didnt include Slovenia in their western europe mapping, so I had this route with no map in the background (eek). That day also has the distinction of including the worst road we have ever been on... ho hum. (nobody died - or fell off) All sorted now.. so this is definitely another option.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by smallfrowne » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:33 pm

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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Beans » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:54 pm

C'mon @Gerontious must be due another update to this thread now...
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:31 pm

Beans wrote:
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C'mon @Gerontious must be due another update to this thread now...

Not really.. The next step will be to book the channel tunnel crossing, which will means it's set in stone and the other guys can then follow suit as and when is right for them... That can be any time between now and the end of July. I usually do that this month, maybe next.

Just a one way ticket. Because we are going to be away for a fortnight, I think it's a bad idea to set our return in stone. That we will return on such and such a day at such and such a time. I think it's a much better idea to buy an open return, which is more expensive, but means we can turn up at the tunnel at any time on any day and just get on the next available train. That will be my strategy and it's up to the other guys to decide theirs. In theory we will be returning on the Saturday, so if they want to book a crossing on that day then they can. Or not.. and instead maybe book a Ferry the day before. Which might be cheaper.
Personally I think we should look at the open return through the tunnel as an insurance policy. If anyone needs to come home in a hurry.. For any reason at all. They can do so without any extra stress. And the rest of us don't need to worry about being at the tunnel in time to catch a specific train... It can be any.

An open return is a fixed price so it doesn't matter when you buy it. In fact you can buy a crossing 'on the day' for about the same price I think.

I've done a few routes on basecamp ready to go on the sat nav. Looking at sub 200 mile days for the most part, anything longer will include a chunk of autobahn.. To get from a to b a bit quicker, we will need to buy a 10 day toll sticker for Austria, not expensive at €5 but will save us a lot of time where we can use the autobahn as a bypass round larger towns, it also includes passage through some (but not all) tunnels.. Also means if there is ever a delay we can get back to our base quickly, that's important. We definitely don't want to be riding in the mountains after dark.

There will be a fair few tolls to pay. For instance, from Zell am See there are only 3 ways to get south, in a direct way. Over the Grossglockner or under, using the Felbertauern Tunnel. The Third way is loading the bikes onto a train and then using that to get south. Other than this it's a long way round. We may use the Felbertauern if we relocate south.. It's €10 one way though.. Which is very steep. £20 for a return trip is pretty horrible by any standards, the train is worse. Have too se how it pans out.

Other tolls are much cheaper and are for the scenic routes.. The tolls pay for maintenance so these roads are generally of a stunning quality. The Silvretta. Nockalm and Ziller are examples, so is the Timmelsjoch pass. But, none of these are particularly expensive... Compared to the Grossglockner anyway.

We camped 3 years ago, when we went to the Vercors, in the French pre-Alps, so, most of the guys know what to expect. Shouldn't be any nasty surprises. German and Austrian campsites tend to be a very high standard compared with the surrounding countries. Both places I intend staying at in Austria are handy for supermarkets. One has a Shell petrol station just over the road.. Which couldn't be more convenient. Usual bakeries a short walk away.

My bike will probably need a minor service before we go.. And possibly the rear tyre replaced. I also need to fit a 12v power socket, the bike came with one as standard but it's only rated at 2A.. Which is only good for charging a phone. And no good at all for my tyre pump which needs 12A So, that to be fitted as and when, there's an ideal place, very close to the battery.

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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:29 pm

Just passed the 200 day mark.. Which doesn't mean much to be honest, but we're coming to the end of winter now and so time to get things nailed down. Stop talking and start doing.

First step for me.. I've booked a room for the Friday night, 12 miles from the tunnel. So that will mean an easy ride down to the coast on the Friday... Stay overnight. And then next morning a lie-in, late breakfast and set off to the tunnel at about 11:15

There's never any need to rush to book the tunnel.. So that can wait until later, we'll be getting the 12:20 crossing. Which means a 2pm (local) arrival time and then a nice and easy afternoons ride to our first stop. No stress, no hurry. To give everyone an easy time as they get back into the swing of camping.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:51 pm

And.. with a paltry 6 months and 2 days to go, Ive booked the outward tunnel crossing.
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The return can wait until nearer the time as there is no worry about that. Booked it now so its "written in stone" and the guys can book as and when it suits them.

The crossing is quite late for us.. Have to be at the tunnel by 11:21 to check-in. This is because our first day is going to be very relaxed. We have to get across France.. almost 430 miles and though we have done this in the past.. its a huge slog, very tiring. And so, the idea this time is to split the journey almost in 2. We have just 180 miles to ride on the Saturday afternoon. From the Tunnel to Epernay in Champagne. A place we have stayed at before, so its familiar. A very nice :municipal campsite just on the edge of town next to the river. We should arrive late afternoon and then have plenty of time to get set up and then a walk into the town to a bar and then a kebab.

Next morning, once ready to depart.. we will stop off at the Macdonalds, for coffee and a light breakfast and then its another 250 miles to our first proper campsite. in the southern Black Forest. And take it from there. Depending on progress made.. we can either go over the Vosges Mountains, or under them. before crossing the Rhine into Germany. See how the weather is on the day. do we stay in the B.F. for a day or two.. or head directly via Switzerland and Liechtenstein to our first base in western Austria. (for the Stelvio/Umbrail and Timmesljoch passes) or avoiding the awful B31 that follows the north shore of Lake Constance, pick up the "German Alpine road" and over two days head for Zell am See and the Grossglockner.

have to see.

I can almost smell them.
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by dynax » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:10 pm

Someone from the highways dept had 1 too many sherberts when they drew out that route :lol:
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by Gerontious » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:16 pm

dynax wrote:
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Someone from the highways dept had 1 too many sherberts when they drew out that route :lol:
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Re: Austrian Alps september 2020

Post by dynax » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:18 pm

That sounds like one heck of an epic ride, i hope you take plenty of photos and videos, would be great watch :thumb: :cheers:
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