Northern Spain to northern France

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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#31 Post by Lateralus » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:17 am

Thanks for that, will definitely look into those suggestions, and certainly using hostels or airbnb for accommodation. :thumb:

Have a few other things to sort out (garden, phone upgrade, buying a motorbike), then detailed planning of this trip can begin in earnest. :mrgreen:
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#32 Post by bonio » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:22 am

Dang it that sounds nice. I've got a trip planned and approved for September, otherwise I'd have happily tagged along.
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#33 Post by Lateralus » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:53 pm

Well I'm now only 6 weeks away from being on a ferry to Spain, and other than having booked that ferry, I've so far planned nothing!

Started having a look around at potential accommodation options, but have decided I actually want to plan the route/roads I want to travel, and find accommodation to suit. Following other discussions, I'm also erring towards using my phone for satnav* and having some paper maps for at least the Pyrenees bits. Really struggling to justify the cost of of a Satnav at the moment!

Are these 1:150k Michelin maps likely to be sufficient? The tiny sample map appears to show a decent level of detail, with scenic routes highlighted, so just wondered whether a couple of those in a tank-bag is likely to get me through a few days of exploring.

Given that I arrive at 18.15 on the Weds evening, how far should I realistically aim to get that night? Want to avoid staying in cities, so as long as there's a bed and somewhere to eat that night I'll be happy, but the more scenic the better. Somewhere like Eugi seems to tick the box very nicely, but at 280km I'm wondering whether it might be a bit ambitious. However it looks like a great place to wake up, and right near some excellent-looking roads to get me straight into the mountains the day after. In fact, as I'll have done nothing other than sit on a ferry the rest of the day, over the course of writing this paragraph I've now convinced myself that's what I'll do. :mrgreen:

*I've somehow ended up with a contract which gives me a slightly ridiculous 25GB of data a month, which I can use abroad, subject to a "fair use" restriction of a mere 15GB! :lol:
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#34 Post by Gerontious » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:20 pm

I generally go for the 1:200,000 michelin maps.. they have a great selection in Waterstones. you should make the effort to go there.. and see what they have. there may be something even better for the area you're heading for. though.. i really do rate the ADAC map Ive already provided you with for simplicity it cant be beaten as easy to follow.

ah.. it appears there may not be maps to the scale above available for spain. still.. its definitely worth it trotting down to waterstones. 3rd floor.
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#35 Post by Baloo » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:32 pm

This app is free and you download the maps to your device or SD card, so even though you have all that data allowance, if you are half way across the pyrenees and need to re-route, you are not reliant on having a data signal. Only works as a sat nav on Andrpid, but I'm sure there will be an openstreetmap equivilent for Apple.

http://osmand.net/

San Sebastian is a great city and it's the food capital of the basque country with amazing seafood and amazing "pinchos" or "pintxos", which are a basque tapas. If you decide to go there let me know and I'll get you a recommendation of where to eat.

Hondarrabia also a great place to spend an evening. If you go there this pub has the best reputation https://goo.gl/maps/ibVJ24TcB7n, but ignore the tapas that are lined up on the bar, they are for the tourists, order the good stuff from the menu!
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#37 Post by Lateralus » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:02 pm

Baloo wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:32 pm
This app is free and you download the maps to your device or SD card, so even though you have all that data allowance, if you are half way across the pyrenees and need to re-route, you are not reliant on having a data signal. Only works as a sat nav on Andrpid, but I'm sure there will be an openstreetmap equivilent for Apple.

http://osmand.net/

San Sebastian is a great city and it's the food capital of the basque country with amazing seafood and amazing "pinchos" or "pintxos", which are a basque tapas. If you decide to go there let me know and I'll get you a recommendation of where to eat.

Hondarrabia also a great place to spend an evening. If you go there this pub has the best reputation https://goo.gl/maps/ibVJ24TcB7n, but ignore the tapas that are lined up on the bar, they are for the tourists, order the good stuff from the menu!
Thanks, will have a look at that app, but think I'm going to give Copilot a go too - thought I'd seen a free trial option for it.

As for the cities, I'm a little cautious about finding somewhere secure to park up overnight, which is a bit of the reason for wanting to keep out in the countryside. Also want to get out into the mountains quickly on the Thursday, and in a city I'm likely to get drawn into sight-seeing by foot! :lol:
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#38 Post by Lateralus » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:09 pm

Note to self:
Must. Not. Blow. Budget. On. Amazing. Food.
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#39 Post by Baloo » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:15 pm

I'd be lying if I said I didn't worry about bike theft on these trips, but the bike is the means of getting me to the places I want to visit, so it seems a bit daft to allow the fact I'm on a bike to stop me going there. So I just try to find hotels with a secure / underground car park as getting the bike put of sight is the best security you can have, or if I have to park on the street I take a big chain and lock it to something solid.

Ask me sometime about the the time I nearly got bikejacked in Orleans by 4 big tooled up black guys in a Lexus 4x4. :shock:

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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#40 Post by Stu » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:57 pm

Lateralus wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:53 pm
Following other discussions, I'm also erring towards using my phone for satnav* and having some paper maps for at least the Pyrenees bits. Really struggling to justify the cost of of a Satnav at the moment!
Personally I would rather had a dedicated sat nav and have a phone and maps as backup but if you think that you would be fine with the phone then go for it! I'm geographically challenged and like a sat nav to say oi dick head you're going the wrong way rather than rely on maps so should my sat nav fail I would switch to phone then maps if I am totally screwed :lol: :lol:

I would at least do a few trips to make sure the phone will work right and not overheat or run out of charge etc rather than find all this out when in Spain! but just remember that it will be hotter in Spain and the sun could be beating down on your phone

I can't help much on the planning or routes as I have never been to Spain on the bike maybe @XTreme knows more?

Planning something would be a good thing as the last thing you want to do is find yourself riding through cities as thats no fun and not touring in my opinion :lol:
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#41 Post by Lateralus » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:10 pm

I have a pretty good head for directions, and since the whole purpose of the trip is exploring, I'll be fairly relaxed about it all when out there!

Will post in the sat-nav thread rather than here, but tired co-pilot today with the phone in my pocket and it worked fine, so there's always that option if I don't want it on the bars. Need to sort a power supply and case to test it properly though. :thumb:
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#42 Post by Stu » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:30 pm

Better than me then :lol: I get lost outside my back yard :shock:

I am a lot better than I used to be and I am never afraid to "get lost" as long as I have some sort of way to get me to where I need to be and enough fuel :lol:

We did a 10 day trip in Germany a few years ago with only one hotel booked! all the others we just turned up it worked pretty well and even though we had sat navs we still looked at maps to see what looked good and where the sun was shining and headed that way and just explored what was out there!

It was an experience and we had a great time on some fantastic roads but I think I would sooner have some sort of plan
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#43 Post by Lateralus » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:05 pm

Wouldn't be much of a town planner if I couldn't read maps! Something that always bugs me when I fly somewhere too - have to get my bearings as soon as I can after landing.

For budget reasons as much as anything I'll look to book some accommodation, but with plenty of flexibility for what I do in-between. May even build in time for some tourism off the bike! :shock: Although that may just end up being the random exploration of eateries as I pass them! :lol:
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#44 Post by rennie » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:20 pm

watch your fuel if you're going off the main routes!
fill up when you get chance!
garages seem to come in clumps and have very strange opening times!
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Re: Northern Spain to northern France

#45 Post by XTreme » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:55 pm

Stu wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:57 pm
Lateralus wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:53 pm
Following other discussions, I'm also erring towards using my phone for satnav* and having some paper maps for at least the Pyrenees bits. Really struggling to justify the cost of of a Satnav at the moment!
Personally I would rather had a dedicated sat nav and have a phone and maps as backup but if you think that you would be fine with the phone then go for it! I'm geographically challenged and like a sat nav to say oi dick head you're going the wrong way rather than rely on maps so should my sat nav fail I would switch to phone then maps if I am totally screwed :lol: :lol:

I would at least do a few trips to make sure the phone will work right and not overheat or run out of charge etc rather than find all this out when in Spain! but just remember that it will be hotter in Spain and the sun could be beating down on your phone

I can't help much on the planning or routes as I have never been to Spain on the bike maybe @XTreme knows more?

Planning something would be a good thing as the last thing you want to do is find yourself riding through cities as thats no fun and not touring in my opinion :lol:
Can't offer any advice on Northern Spain routes.....but I can tell you now that a phone left exposed will fry in the heat!

It can even overheat in your jacket so you've got to keep them well hidden during the Summer.

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