Sick Kids Saturday....

The Commonwealth fund rates the NHS as best over all out of ten developed healthcare systems in the world. The exception part is outcomes which are starting to show the signs of the rediculous way the service has been treated since roughly 2002.

Not sure about WHO rankings. Not heard of them and do keep an eye on these things. I'd still rather the NHS over most systems but it makes me cry to see how it is mistreated.

I do not believe that the problems in the NHS are caused by underfunding. The Staff are simply incompetent.

I recently was taken very ill while going to the shops with some friends I became incoherent and stumbling about with severe chest pains rash and swellings. I also complained of frequent pains like insect bites.

My friends thought I was seriously ill and feared for my life. An ambulance was called and I was treated as a heart attack patient, the ambulance never arrived, for 35 minutes they rang the ambulance service, and time and again, they said they were very busy and will get to me when they can and I was asked to make my own way to hospital. A man having a heart attack should of course walk to hospital.

I got fed up of the wait and asked them to order a taxi.

At the hospital some 25 minutes later I was given a sign that said immediate ECG.

After 30 minutes I asked when I would get my ECG, the answer I got was they would give me an ECG when they can get to me. An hour and a half had passed from my supposed heart attack by that time, and still no examination or diagnosis or ECG.

I was left alone in a room for 6 hours, then I was looked at and told that they saw several insect bites on me. Then I was discharged, with no ECG no treatment and no examination for nearly 8 hours from the original ambulance call and decision that I was having a heart attack. And the examination was a cursory inspection and a chat and no tests at all were carried out.

I was still suffering the chronic chest pains when they discharged me, and I had to make my own way home at 1am on Monday morning. I had no money because so I couldn't pay for a taxi so I walked.

If the NHS were not riddled with incompetent staff then I would have had an ambulance within the 6 minute target for heart attack patients. I would have had an ECG within 10 minutes of arriving, I would have been examined, and I would have had a decision on treatment.

Not one out of a dozen NHS staff that saw me that did anything except wait for me to die. That is not due to cuts Staff are capable or incompetent and cuts don't make a professional suddenly become incompetent.

Cuts as a reason for the incompetence of NHS staff is bullshit. They are unemployable wastrels and I would sack the lot. then employ real doctors and nurses not this bunch of clowns.

I am pulling punches here, I could tell you about the half dozen people I know who died due to the NHS they disgust me.

I don't know anyone who visited hospital with a serious illness who didnt die.

I will however just give one example.

An uncle developed frequent chronic pain and was in agony, his doctor didn't examine him but prescribed pain killers, he kept returning and never was examined but he got plenty of painkillers.

After 6 months he got fed up of that and went to the hospital, they didn't examine him either but he got plenty of painkillers out of them. He got the reputation of a hypochondriac.

Oh hes here again, give him some painkillers and get rid of him. And after over a year of frequent chronic pain attacks he suffered an attack in A&E, he was rolling on the floor and literally crying in pain, and they just looked at him, and it just so happened that a specialist from a respected major sister hospital was present and he said "Is nobody going to examine this man". So it turns out there are one or two competent doctors after all. But you will be hard pressed to find one.

So finally they examined him and he was discovered to be riddled with cancer which by then was untreatable, He was dead three months later. Cuts don't do that monumental incompetence does.

What can I say? The worlds better off without some people in it and the NHS staff are all secret agents of a Nazi regime carrying out Hitlers ideals, cleansing the earth of undesirables in a covert fashion right under people’s noses.

[mention]fastbob[/mention] thanks for Godwin’s law, I like it

Griptwister has been unmasked!

Nice photo

Looks like one of those profile picks that after you’ve spent 2hrs consoling your wrecked single friend about their disastrous date they show you a pic online and you wonder how they didn’t spot they’re a loony

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/chart/2017/health-care-system-performance-rankings

We used to be much better on outcomes but marketisation and real term cuts have changed that.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2007/may/mirror-mirror-wall-international-update-comparative-performance

Different format in the second but we did better.

I struggle to believe that how you experienced those events [mention]griptwister[/mention] is How professionals involved would describe it. I do not believe that someone suspected of having a heart attack was left entirely without assessment and then discharged.

You seem to generally consider organs of the state incompetent and filled with incompetents.

NHS staff are all secret agents of a Nazi regime carrying out Hitlers ideals, cleansing the earth of undesirables in a covert fashion right under people’s noses.

Really? Oh, that's a turn up for the books.

I do not believe that the problems in the NHS are caused by underfunding. The Staff are simply incompetent.

I recently was taken very ill while going to the shops with some friends I became incoherent and stumbling about with severe chest pains rash and swellings. I also complained of frequent pains like insect bites.

My friends thought I was seriously ill and feared for my life. An ambulance was called and I was treated as a heart attack patient, the ambulance never arrived, for 35 minutes they rang the ambulance service, and time and again, they said they were very busy and will get to me when they can and I was asked to make my own way to hospital. A man having a heart attack should of course walk to hospital.

I got fed up of the wait and asked them to order a taxi.

At the hospital some 25 minutes later I was given a sign that said immediate ECG.

After 30 minutes I asked when I would get my ECG, the answer I got was they would give me an ECG when they can get to me. An hour and a half had passed from my supposed heart attack by that time, and still no examination or diagnosis or ECG.

I was left alone in a room for 6 hours, then I was looked at and told that they saw several insect bites on me. Then I was discharged, with no ECG no treatment and no examination for nearly 8 hours from the original ambulance call and decision that I was having a heart attack. And the examination was a cursory inspection and a chat and no tests at all were carried out.

I was still suffering the chronic chest pains when they discharged me, and I had to make my own way home at 1am on Monday morning. I had no money because so I couldn't pay for a taxi so I walked.

If the NHS were not riddled with incompetent staff then I would have had an ambulance within the 6 minute target for heart attack patients. I would have had an ECG within 10 minutes of arriving, I would have been examined, and I would have had a decision on treatment.

Not one out of a dozen NHS staff that saw me that did anything except wait for me to die. That is not due to cuts Staff are capable or incompetent and cuts don't make a professional suddenly become incompetent.

Cuts as a reason for the incompetence of NHS staff is bullshit. They are unemployable wastrels and I would sack the lot. then employ real doctors and nurses not this bunch of clowns.

I am pulling punches here, I could tell you about the half dozen people I know who died due to the NHS they disgust me.

I don't know anyone who visited hospital with a serious illness who didnt die.

I will however just give one example.

An uncle developed frequent chronic pain and was in agony, his doctor didn't examine him but prescribed pain killers, he kept returning and never was examined but he got plenty of painkillers.

After 6 months he got fed up of that and went to the hospital, they didn't examine him either but he got plenty of painkillers out of them. He got the reputation of a hypochondriac.

Oh hes here again, give him some painkillers and get rid of him. And after over a year of frequent chronic pain attacks he suffered an attack in A&E, he was rolling on the floor and literally crying in pain, and they just looked at him, and it just so happened that a specialist from a respected major sister hospital was present and he said "Is nobody going to examine this man". So it turns out there are one or two competent doctors after all. But you will be hard pressed to find one.

So finally they examined him and he was discovered to be riddled with cancer which by then was untreatable, He was dead three months later. Cuts don't do that monumental incompetence does.

TLDR, thought he was having a heart attack, medical staff didn't, so they released him and he didn't die. NHS are therefore incompetent because they didn't diagnose the heart attack he wasn't actually having.

Did you have a heart attack [mention]griptwister[/mention] ?.........If you didn't, I guess their diagnosis was correct.

I've got to say that the treatment that I've had from the NHS over the years has been exemplary. I had chest pains a few years back and phoned 101.....They took my details and told me to get to the A&E as quickly as possible ( I insisted that I didn't need an ambulance, and against their instruction, I drove there)....I was seen very quickly as they were expecting me.....bloods were taken and I was hooked up to an ECG......An hour or so later, they got my blood test results back from the lab and checked the ECG and said that it wasn't a heart attack and I was clear to go.

Thing is with private hospitals, I've not seen an A&E or Trauma unit at any Bupa or Nuffield hospital....never seen an air ambulance landing point at any of them either. People that think the American medical system is so wonderful need to look at the number of American citizens who declare bankruptcy due to medical care costs every year.

Lol

I struggle to believe that how you experienced those events @griptwister is How professionals involved would describe it. I do not believe that someone suspected of having a heart attack was left entirely without assessment and then discharged.

You seem to generally consider organs of the state incompetent and filled with incompetents.

Some of you may know this.

Lisa had a funny turn a few week back.

Suspected heart attack during the night.

The paramedics had her on an ECG within 30 mins of the 101 call.

Into hospital. Monitored etc. Treat accordingly for 24 hours.

No heart attack.

Some murmers on the ECG. On going tests.

Can't fault the care at all

Sorry to hear that. Mrs Muttly has a heart thing which has had us have ambulances out a few times and had us drive to urgent care centres when we should have gone to a and e and stuff. Nothing but diligent and erudite care.

I'm starting to think that the problem with the NHS is that it's full of people not having heart attacks.

Sorry to hear that. Mrs Muttly has a heart thing which has had us have ambulances out a few times and had us drive to urgent care centres when we should have gone to a and e and stuff. Nothing but diligent and erudite care.

She's sound cheers. It was all very bizzare. ECG showing abnormalities but the bloods were clear.

She was up and running about as per usual within 48 hours.

Good luck with yours

I don't see that at all, there were no tests, there was no examination, there was no diagnosis I was sent home suffering with the same symptoms I arrived with. Nothing was done for 6 hours.

The fact that I am alive today is sheer luck nd nothing whatsoever to do with the NHS

I don't understand your position, is it usual to abandon heart attack patients for 6 hours alone in a room. I say it isn't, if you had a heart attack you would want an examination and a diagnosis and possibly treatment why is it ok in your book for me to have none of those.

Now can we move on

Bit of perspective for all of you slating the NHS.

My partner is from Utah. One of her cousins gave birth the other day and her baby is in NICU. The first night has cost $25,000 just for the baby. Each subsequent night is $10,000. This is purely the baby in hospital. Doesn't cover the cost of giving birth or anything.

The cousin isn't insured so she has to pay all this back. She can't afford to be insured as her partner earns too much to qualify for Medicaid. But not enough to afford insurance. And because they aren't insured, they will receive a fine on top for that.

There's useless morons in every system, but I'd rather have the NHS than the US system. First child cost me £30 parking. 2nd child cost me £0 for parking as they changed the car park by that time.

[mention]MarkW[/mention]

I very much doubt you first child has cost you 30quid have you not been keeping receipts to bill them at 21 or is that just me.

Good and bad folk in every role of life, mostly the NHS is great and gets more great the worse the accident.

They did however almost end my sons life by transferring him in a normal patient transfer bus with burst appendics,they couldn't operate as it was too dangerous so decided to transfer, this was a 20mile journey in rush hour across a city, I got to the 2nd hospital before he did, minimum should have been full lights and a proper ambulance, I would have preferred a fooking helicopter as they deemed him so poorly to operate on.

All was well In the end and it was probably an administrative error but you could see how it could have been much worse.

I still think the NHS is great.

@MarkW

I very much doubt you first child has cost you 30quid have you not been keeping receipts to bill them at 21 or is that just me.

Good and bad folk in every role of life, mostly the NHS is great and gets more great the worse the accident.

They did however almost end my sons life by transferring him in a normal patient transfer bus with burst appendics,they couldn't operate as it was too dangerous so decided to transfer, this was a 20mile journey in rush hour across a city, I got to the 2nd hospital before he did, minimum should have been full lights and a proper ambulance, I would have preferred a fooking helicopter as they deemed him so poorly to operate on.

All was well In the end and it was probably an administrative error but you could see how it could have been much worse.

I still think the NHS is great.

I think that was meant for MR_W rather than me

@MarkW

I very much doubt you first child has cost you 30quid have you not been keeping receipts to bill them at 21 or is that just me.

Good and bad folk in every role of life, mostly the NHS is great and gets more great the worse the accident.

They did however almost end my sons life by transferring him in a normal patient transfer bus with burst appendics,they couldn't operate as it was too dangerous so decided to transfer, this was a 20mile journey in rush hour across a city, I got to the 2nd hospital before he did, minimum should have been full lights and a proper ambulance, I would have preferred a fooking helicopter as they deemed him so poorly to operate on.

All was well In the end and it was probably an administrative error but you could see how it could have been much worse.

I still think the NHS is great.

 

I think that was meant for MR_W rather than me

[/q[mention]MarkW[/mention]

Damn these NHS specs

Hi all just a wee heads up . When you take kids to the hospital or doctors .you need to watch what you say to them . As if you piss them off they call ....social service SCUM .... about 5 years ago my oldest had a nose bleed ( she got a weak vain in her nose so she sneezes it brakes an pisses out with blood only 4 months ago had it sorted they burned it closed ) so i had a call off the school that her nose been gushing with blood for last 30mins .for me to collect her and take her to the hospital. So I did went to my local A&E now her nose had been constant bleeding for about 50mins goes in to the A&E the blood is all down the front of her the towel is dripping with blood and she10 years old .. Ok take a seat ??????????WTF apart from the blood her face is white /pale looking and she feeling sleepy.. so told to sit down .doctor see you asap . Ok 3 or 4 mins later they call this guy in .I asked the nurse when she been seen I'm covered in blood and so is my girl . We have an hour waiting.list WTF I said are you shitting me .. she says no there other ppl waiting . I just picked up my girl and told them to f**k right off if they think I'm staying here for hour.. gets in the car goes to the hospital in Cardiff which is 15 mins away gets there .. seen with in 2 mins her nose still bleeding.. they stoped it and we was back home with in 30mins of arriving . Hour later the social services SCUM arrived we had to jump thro hoops for weeks because them and the hospital called them as I had left .. never mind checking I booked in to another hospital and had it fixed ..

@MarkW

I very much doubt you first child has cost you 30quid have you not been keeping receipts to bill them at 21 or is that just me.

Good and bad folk in every role of life, mostly the NHS is great and gets more great the worse the accident.

They did however almost end my sons life by transferring him in a normal patient transfer bus with burst appendics,they couldn't operate as it was too dangerous so decided to transfer, this was a 20mile journey in rush hour across a city, I got to the 2nd hospital before he did, minimum should have been full lights and a proper ambulance, I would have preferred a fooking helicopter as they deemed him so poorly to operate on.

All was well In the end and it was probably an administrative error but you could see how it could have been much worse.

I still think the NHS is great.

In terms of cost for the birth, it probably worked out at about that for parking. Main point is, it could be costing us a lot worse than it does.