What is the point of a service

Your warranty could have just been voided

Haven't had the service yet.

Thank goodness, the service needs to be carried out by a VAT registered technician to the Yamaha schedule using genuine Yamaha parts.

Haven't had the service yet.

Generally speaking while the bike is under warranty you need to have it serviced by an authorised dealer. Getting it done by anyone else will almost certainly void the warranty. Once the bike is out of warranty then you can do whatever. I believe this also applies to those clever fellows who can do their own bike maintenance. I can't but my son in law can so once my warranty period is over I won't be using my dealer, probably.

As long as they adhere to my points above you can use any mechanic and not void your warranty.

Thank goodness, the service needs to be carried out by a VAT registered technician to the Yamaha schedule using genuine Yamaha parts.

What he said!

best do it yeself tbh pal if ye know how,

only take you 15 mins to do and most of that is waiting for the bike to warm the oil up haha

usually any local garage will take ye waste oil off you for free

As long as they adhere to my points above you can use any mechanic and not void your warranty.

Obviously Yamaha is different from Ducati. Only an approved Ducati service centre (dealer) can do any servicing while the bike is under warranty. Since both the OP and yourself are both Yamaha riders I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

Spoke to yamaha who said that as long as they use genuine parts it won't void the warranty which is good. I can't do it myself.

As long as they adhere to my points above you can use any mechanic and not void your warranty.

Obviously Yamaha is different from Ducati. Only an approved Ducati service centre (dealer) can do any servicing while the bike is under warranty. Since both the OP and yourself are both Yamaha riders I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

Pretty sure the law states that you can use whoever you want providing they are a VAT registered business and you use genuine parts

[mention]Joeman[/mention] is the guy for this sort of thing

As long as they adhere to my points above you can use any mechanic and not void your warranty.

Obviously Yamaha is different from Ducati. Only an approved Ducati service centre (dealer) can do any servicing while the bike is under warranty. Since both the OP and yourself are both Yamaha riders I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

 

Pretty sure the law states that you can use whoever you want providing they are a VAT registered business and you use genuine parts

@Joeman is the guy for this sort of thing

Swat I sed innit

As long as they adhere to my points above you can use any mechanic and not void your warranty.

Obviously Yamaha is different from Ducati. Only an approved Ducati service centre (dealer) can do any servicing while the bike is under warranty. Since both the OP and yourself are both Yamaha riders I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

 

Pretty sure the law states that you can use whoever you want providing they are a VAT registered business and you use genuine parts

@Joeman is the guy for this sort of thing

Interesting, I must read the fine print on my warranty as I rather gave up when it started in with all the ways in which it can be voided. There is supposed to be a guy near me who is a wizard with Italian bikes and cheaper than the dealer. Could be a winner.

it could be worth nipping round and asking him you might save a mint

What's becomingly difficult is that manufacturers are adding procedures to services that only manufacturers can do. So like software updates etc.

You're perfectly entitled to do oil changes and filter changes anywhere you like so long as correct parts are used but if the service schedule includes something requiring specialists equipment like a software update to the ECU for example that's only going to be possible at a dealership and so by not taking it to a dealer it can be argued the service hasn't been completed correctly....

Brand new bike? You've already wasted a large chunk of cash on deprecation so a few hundred quid on main dealer servicing makes little difference but will be benefited when you come to sell.

What's becomingly difficult is that manufacturers are adding procedures to services that only manufacturers can do. So like software updates etc.

You're perfectly entitled to do oil changes and filter changes anywhere you like so long as correct parts are used but if the service schedule includes something requiring specialists equipment like a software update to the ECU for example that's only going to be possible at a dealership and so by not taking it to a dealer it can be argued the service hasn't been completed correctly....

Brand new bike? You've already wasted a large chunk of cash on deprecation so a few hundred quid on main dealer servicing makes little difference but will be benefited when you come to sell.

A few hundred quid is a lot of money to me because I'm poor due to all that depreciation.

I know my local dealer well. The service pays for;

1 - the items used, oil, filters, parts etc

2 - wages and other staff costs like training

3 - the building and other physical costs

That number 3 is not itemised on the bill, like parts and labour is, but it still needs to be paid for.

4 - a general check, which acts like a pre MOT, even if no MOT is needed, just to make sure the bike is OK. In any case, no garage would risk sending someone back out on a bike that say, has no working brake light.

That number 4 on the list is very underrated and dismissing it as a visual check that is worthless is wrong. I know some bikers are better than others at checking their bikes, but to have someone who sees bikes every day and knows what they are doing have a look over your bike, is invaluable.

5 - VAT

Brand new bike? You've already wasted a large chunk of cash on deprecation so a few hundred quid on main dealer servicing makes little difference but will be benefited when you come to sell.

when they charge £150 for a basic service ie oil & filter .. £300 for something a little more involved .. + air filter and £500 for the valve clearance service .. add that up and compare the difference saved by using a non main dealer or doin it yourself .. your into pocket come selling time .. even with the added loss of no dealer service record ...

Brand new bike? You've already wasted a large chunk of cash on deprecation so a few hundred quid on main dealer servicing makes little difference but will be benefited when you come to sell.

when they charge £150 for a basic service ie oil & filter .. £300 for something a little more involved .. + air filter and £500 for the valve clearance service .. add that up and compare the difference saved by using a non main dealer or doin it yourself .. your into pocket come selling time .. even with the added loss of no dealer service record ...

Arguably if you can't afford the running costs you can't afford the bike. As the old saying goes, "Champagne lifestyle on beer money"

If you don't pay the dealers they make no money and close down, so where do you buy your next bike from??

its all being taken out of the home mechanics hands with all the modern technology no wonder a lot of older bikers are now buying classic bikes something they can enjoy tinkering with in the man cave

Arguably if you can't afford the running costs you can't afford the bike. As the old saying goes, "Champagne lifestyle on beer money"

If you don't pay the dealers they make no money and close down, so where do you buy your next bike from??

Arguably :- why pay a cack handed monkey : frankly that's what some dealers are and at £70+vat an hour : to do when you can do it yourself .. unless its conspicuous consumption ..

and there will always be supply where there is demand .. that's where i will buy from .. using my van again if necessary ..

i fail to see the point in subsidising an uneconomical business .. not at my expense anyway..

Arguably if you can't afford the running costs you can't afford the bike. As the old saying goes, "Champagne lifestyle on beer money"

If you don't pay the dealers they make no money and close down, so where do you buy your next bike from??

 

Arguably :- why pay a cack handed monkey : frankly that's what some dealers are and at £70+vat an hour : to do when you can do it yourself .. unless its conspicuous consumption ..

and there will always be supply where there is demand .. that's where i will buy from .. using my van again if necessary ..

i fail to see the point in subsidising an uneconomical business .. not at my expense anyway..

Whilst my bike was under warranty i used the main dealer and just accepted it as the cost of owning my bike.

Now my bike is out of warranty I do all my own services and more frequently than the dealer service schedule but that's because I enjoy tinkering about and like to fully understand what I'm riding not because I resent paying the dealership.

I had to pay a few hundred quid to buy special tools and bought a new laptop for the garage as didn't want to get any of my laptops covered in oil so probably would have been cheaper to get the main dealer to service my bike...

Whilst my bike was under warranty i used the main dealer and just accepted it as the cost of owning my bike.

Now my bike is out of warranty I do all my own services and more frequently than the dealer service schedule but that's because I enjoy tinkering about and like to fully understand what I'm riding not because I resent paying the dealership.

I had to pay a few hundred quid to buy special tools and bought a new laptop for the garage as didn't want to get any of my laptops covered in oil so probably would have been cheaper to get the main dealer to service my bike...

the first service i usually pay for .. but when they quote upto £300 depending on how many shims will be required @ 600miles and they don`t have a fault code reader.. which i do .. i sacked them off ...

I tinker about and like to fully understand what I'm riding because I resent paying the dealership extorted prices ..

I did spend a couple of grand ;and will be spending more shortly : to buy special tools of one function , shape , guise or other... and i`m still into pocket ..

what really annoys is they laugh as they take out your eyes.... but the look on their face when you order a specialist tool and you already have the part number is priceless ...

Next time, try negotiating the cost of the first service into the purchase price. And what main dealer wouldn't have a fault code reader??

Brand new bike? You've already wasted a large chunk of cash on deprecation so a few hundred quid on main dealer servicing makes little difference but will be benefited when you come to sell.

when they charge £150 for a basic service ie oil & filter .. £300 for something a little more involved .. + air filter and £500 for the valve clearance service .. add that up and compare the difference saved by using a non main dealer or doin it yourself .. your into pocket come selling time .. even with the added loss of no dealer service record ...

Labour for simple jobs is often high because of all the parts that need removing to get at what is to be serviced. For example, changing spark plugs. In a car, most just need a simple cover panel removed (if anything) and that is it. Most bikes need at least the petrol tank removed and that can also mean removing fairing parts.

Arguably if you can't afford the running costs you can't afford the bike. As the old saying goes, "Champagne lifestyle on beer money"

If you don't pay the dealers they make no money and close down, so where do you buy your next bike from??

 

Arguably :- why pay a cack handed monkey : frankly that's what some dealers are and at £70+vat an hour : to do when you can do it yourself .. unless its conspicuous consumption ..

and there will always be supply where there is demand .. that's where i will buy from .. using my van again if necessary ..

i fail to see the point in subsidising an uneconomical business .. not at my expense anyway..

My local dealer has winter labour rates that are lower due to lack of demand. Get your bike serviced in December or certainly before Easter when demand rockets as everyone wants their bike sorted after winter hibernation.