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Extradition alternative

Post by MarkW » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:54 pm

If Boris was serious about justice for Harry Dunn he could appoint the lads father as the next UK ambassador to the US, whereupon his wife could fly out to join him, bump off Anne Sacoolas and then return to the UK, claiming diplomatic immunity.

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by Six30 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:01 pm

what a skip rat of a human she is ...
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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by MarkW » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:29 pm

Six30 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:01 pm
what a skip rat of a human she is ...
Correct, as are the amoral vermin protecting her. Or perhaps they think they're being helpful - sparing us all the hassle of our bothersome legal processes by unilaterally deciding it was an 'accident' and that a prison sentence would be 'inappropriate'.
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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by gogs01 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:00 pm

MarkW wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:29 pm
..... perhaps they think they're being helpful - sparing us all the hassle of our bothersome legal processes by unilaterally deciding it was an 'accident' and that a prison sentence would be 'inappropriate'.
I have every sympathy with the Dunn family. I also think that the driver responsible for the boy's death should have stayed to face the music.

However, I fear that regardless of whether she had stayed or not, or even if she were to return in the future, the family are never going to be happy with the outcome. Many people have been charged after a fatal road traffic incident but few have been jailed without overwhelming evidence of dangerous driving. There is a possibility that the driver in this case would be charged not with causing death by dangerous driving, or even dangerous driving, but with careless driving. It depends on all the evidence of course, but many people have been responsible for a road death, have been charged and found guilty and have been given a small fine. I can't see how this would make the Dunns feel any better than they do now. The boy's dead and nothing can bring him back.

Executing the driver isn't justice, it's revenge. I hope the family find peace.

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by MikeHorton » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:19 pm

gogs01 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:00 pm
MarkW wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:29 pm
..... perhaps they think they're being helpful - sparing us all the hassle of our bothersome legal processes by unilaterally deciding it was an 'accident' and that a prison sentence would be 'inappropriate'.
I have every sympathy with the Dunn family. I also think that the driver responsible for the boy's death should have stayed to face the music.

However, I fear that regardless of whether she had stayed or not, or even if she were to return in the future, the family are never going to be happy with the outcome. Many people have been charged after a fatal road traffic incident but few have been jailed without overwhelming evidence of dangerous driving. There is a possibility that the driver in this case would be charged not with causing death by dangerous driving, or even dangerous driving, but with careless driving. It depends on all the evidence of course, but many people have been responsible for a road death, have been charged and found guilty and have been given a small fine. I can't see how this would make the Dunns feel any better than they do now. The boy's dead and nothing can bring him back.

Executing the driver isn't justice, it's revenge. I hope the family find peace.
Very valid point very hard to prove death by dangerous driving. She needs to face justice, many British citizens have been extradited to the US in the past.

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by Bender » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:45 pm

I wouldn't extradite another person to the US until she is sent over, don't we still have Julian lozenge still in captivity?
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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by MikeHorton » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:08 pm

Yes he's in HMP Belmarsh and costing the taxpayer an absolute fortune after being holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy for ever!

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by MarkW » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:49 am

gogs01 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:00 pm
Executing the driver isn't justice, it's revenge.
Obviously my original post wasn't serious and I'm certainly no advocate for vigilantism, but your comment here made me think. This person has completely evaded justice by scuttling back to the US and hiding behind morally bankrupt officials, and having killed someone through carelessness has effectively got off scot free.

Had she stayed to face a trial I too doubt very much that she would have gone to jail. Any lawyer would doubtless have told her the same, which makes her cowardice even more despicable. So, if there is a fair and transparent legal process and you choose to evade it, can you complain if you end up on the receiving end of a different form of 'justice'?
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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by gogs01 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:21 am

MarkW wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:49 am
..... can you complain if you end up on the receiving end of a different form of 'justice'?
Difficult to complain if you're dead. :?

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by Marino » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:33 am

Americans have licence to kill all around the world as long they don’t kill Americans. Their country will protect them.

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Re: Extradition alternative

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by RantMachine » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:50 pm

Marino wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:33 am
Americans have licence to kill all around the world as long they don’t kill Americans. Their country will protect them.
Oh you can totally kill Americans too. Straight up got a law around here called the "Make My Day" law, says you can shoot each other all you like. Or something to that effect.

My green card says something about "provisional licence to kill" in the small print, I swear.
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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by Marino » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:08 pm

RantMachine wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:50 pm
Marino wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:33 am
Americans have licence to kill all around the world as long they don’t kill Americans. Their country will protect them.
Oh you can totally kill Americans too. Straight up got a law around here called the "Make My Day" law, says you can shoot each other all you like. Or something to that effect.

My green card says something about "provisional licence to kill" in the small print, I swear.
With no offence to Americans, I lived and worked there for over 6 years and I know lot about it.
Unfortunately their country and politics make them believe they are something special, above The ordinary people.

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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by Mickly » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:24 pm

Marino wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:08 pm
RantMachine wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:50 pm
Marino wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:33 am
Americans have licence to kill all around the world as long they don’t kill Americans. Their country will protect them.
Oh you can totally kill Americans too. Straight up got a law around here called the "Make My Day" law, says you can shoot each other all you like. Or something to that effect.

My green card says something about "provisional licence to kill" in the small print, I swear.
With no offence to Americans, I lived and worked there for over 6 years and I know lot about it.
Unfortunately their country and politics make them believe they are something special, above The ordinary people.
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Re: Extradition alternative

Post by Bender » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 pm

Mosad should be hired.
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