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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Mississippi Bullfrog » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 am

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I think that end can is so big because of catalytic converter is in. Is it?
Cats are usually nearer the engine due to the heat the need to operate at. I think it's a trend with a lot of new bikes to have huge exhausts.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

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I think there are some bikes now with the cat fitted in to the end can.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Gerontious » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:22 am

Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 am
Marino wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:57 am
I think that end can is so big because of catalytic converter is in. Is it?
Cats are usually nearer the engine due to the heat the need to operate at. I think it's a trend with a lot of new bikes to have huge exhausts.
its more a requirement of euro 4 (and now euro 5), manufacturers have been forced to use bigger mufflers to keep the volume under 80db.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Mississippi Bullfrog » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:51 pm

Gerontious wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:22 am
Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 am
Marino wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:57 am
I think that end can is so big because of catalytic converter is in. Is it?
Cats are usually nearer the engine due to the heat the need to operate at. I think it's a trend with a lot of new bikes to have huge exhausts.
its more a requirement of euro 4 (and now euro 5), manufacturers have been forced to use bigger mufflers to keep the volume under 80db.
Might as well go electric then.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by S-Westerly » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:52 pm

Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:51 pm
Gerontious wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:22 am
Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 am


Cats are usually nearer the engine due to the heat the need to operate at. I think it's a trend with a lot of new bikes to have huge exhausts.
its more a requirement of euro 4 (and now euro 5), manufacturers have been forced to use bigger mufflers to keep the volume under 80db.
Might as well go electric then.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by skyrider » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:55 pm

thats the thing with modern bikes the original silencer looks like those big american silver caravans and probably nearly as heavy :shock:
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Swagman » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:58 pm

Trying to stop people changing them as removing the cat makes the bike illegal with the emissions laws. :shock:

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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Mississippi Bullfrog » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:19 pm

Swagman wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:58 pm
Trying to stop people changing them as removing the cat makes the bike illegal with the emissions laws. :shock:
Is that so? A lot of people decat their Bobbers. How does that go at MOT time? I've never had emissions tested at MOT.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Swagman » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:29 pm

Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:19 pm
Swagman wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:58 pm
Trying to stop people changing them as removing the cat makes the bike illegal with the emissions laws. :shock:
Is that so? A lot of people decat their Bobbers. How does that go at MOT time? I've never had emissions tested at MOT.
No they don’t test at mot yet, but the cops supposedly can place a hefty fine on you if they wish as the emissions are supposed to be the same as when manufactured, that’s what I read came from White Dalton Motorcycle Solicitors I believe,

The law has evolved over the years and long story short, it states it is an offence to use on the a road a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet (if you are ever struggling to sleep I recommended reading the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations and the Road Traffic Act 1988. It is WAY more effective than counting sheep).

If you get caught doing this i.e. ‘de-catting’ a motorbike that should have a catalytic converter etc. you could be looking at a hefty fine. Bizarrely though, as matters currently stand, motorbikes do not have their emissions tested as part of the MOT and there are load of companies out there ‘de-catting’ bikes.

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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by skyrider » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:18 pm

emissions testing for bikes will be coming right round the corner at us and be here before we know it :|
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Swagman » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:28 pm

skyrider wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:18 pm
emissions testing for bikes will be coming right round the corner at us and be here before w know it :|
Yes I agree so I’ll be sticking with my 03 Fazer . :thumb:

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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Mississippi Bullfrog » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:55 pm

Swagman wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:29 pm
Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:19 pm
Swagman wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:58 pm
Trying to stop people changing them as removing the cat makes the bike illegal with the emissions laws. :shock:
Is that so? A lot of people decat their Bobbers. How does that go at MOT time? I've never had emissions tested at MOT.
No they don’t test at mot yet, but the cops supposedly can place a hefty fine on you if they wish as the emissions are supposed to be the same as when manufactured, that’s what I read came from White Dalton Motorcycle Solicitors I believe,

The law has evolved over the years and long story short, it states it is an offence to use on the a road a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet (if you are ever struggling to sleep I recommended reading the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations and the Road Traffic Act 1988. It is WAY more effective than counting sheep).

If you get caught doing this i.e. ‘de-catting’ a motorbike that should have a catalytic converter etc. you could be looking at a hefty fine. Bizarrely though, as matters currently stand, motorbikes do not have their emissions tested as part of the MOT and there are load of companies out there ‘de-catting’ bikes.
Thanks for that. I've never been tempted to decat mine, it's loud enough already. But I wondered where things stood on that issue.
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Swagman » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:57 pm

Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:55 pm
Swagman wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:29 pm
Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:19 pm


Is that so? A lot of people decat their Bobbers. How does that go at MOT time? I've never had emissions tested at MOT.
No they don’t test at mot yet, but the cops supposedly can place a hefty fine on you if they wish as the emissions are supposed to be the same as when manufactured, that’s what I read came from White Dalton Motorcycle Solicitors I believe,

The law has evolved over the years and long story short, it states it is an offence to use on the a road a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet (if you are ever struggling to sleep I recommended reading the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations and the Road Traffic Act 1988. It is WAY more effective than counting sheep).

If you get caught doing this i.e. ‘de-catting’ a motorbike that should have a catalytic converter etc. you could be looking at a hefty fine. Bizarrely though, as matters currently stand, motorbikes do not have their emissions tested as part of the MOT and there are load of companies out there ‘de-catting’ bikes.
Thanks for that. I've never been tempted to decat mine, it's loud enough already. But I wondered where things stood on that issue.
I don’t think as yet anyone has been done for it but it will only take time and I’m sure they will start to enforce it. :thumb:

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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by Pie man » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:19 am

Mississippi Bullfrog wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 am
Marino wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:57 am
I think that end can is so big because of catalytic converter is in. Is it?
Cats are usually nearer the engine due to the heat the need to operate at. I think it's a trend with a lot of new bikes to have huge exhausts.
I found out yesterday I can replace the end can without involving the workshop or any remapping required :cheers:
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Re: Meet Keiser Steinbock

Post by S-Westerly » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:19 pm

I changed the end can on mine for what Ii believe is a far better looking one. It didn't affect the cat at all. According to the homologation certificate it increases the sound by 0.5 dB which is negligible. It does give the exhaust sound a different tone. Makes no difference to the HP and needs no mapping. All round winner so far as I am concerned.
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