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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by mikestrivens » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:35 pm

wonderful @elizabethf well done.
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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by elizabethf » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:51 am

mikestrivens wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:35 pm
wonderful @elizabethf well done.
Thank you! Looking at two more bikes first but found a nice little KTM Duke so far that suits my needs!

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Post by Muttly » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:08 am

Hey groovy gang. Passed my CBT about three weeks ago. Global in Essex were the providers. They were ace. I was one of four, everyone but me had been on a bike, even the 16 year old lad which surprised me.
Struggled in the manouvers bit on the car park section but by the time we did U turns on the road I had made sense of the bike a bit more.
Loved it, next day went and bought a Lexmoto Falcon off them, done 320 miles and loving it. Going to do big bike test next year if I can afford it but probably keep the 125 going without plates once I pass.

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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by narp » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:20 pm

Hey All,

I know I've been below the radar on the forum for a while, but I'm still here - a change of job got in the way of things somewhat.

Still, I took and completed my CBT today with Dragon in Ellesmere Port, so here's a report.

Alan - owner and Matt (I think - I might have that wrong, as I was pleased enough to have remembered one name as it was) - CBT instructor.

Alan was there to meet and greet, but also called in later in the day to see how things were going, and ended up joining in some of the car park stuff.

I arrived stupidly early, and very self-consciously in my own boots, kevlar jeans, vented jacket and spanking new helmet (just gloves to go), but any item of ones own was duly appreciated and complemented, and I just had to choose the least smelly gloves from the racking to complete the ensemble.

I gave them a bit of a start initially, because I was wearing walking sandals and left the rest of the gear in the car to put on later.

The day was run with two candidates; both of us middle-ish-aged men, with experience off-road from childhood and on-road as teenagers, but pretty-much nothing for decades since. The plan was two-to-one with the instructor, but for half the day it was one-to-one, as Alan joined-in. I didn't ask directly (shy and retiring me), but I gather Matt was new to the company, and working towards full instructor qualification under Alan's tutelage, so it wasn't just us being watched and assessed.

To their credit, they took us through the required stages of CBT with the occasional apology for having to do so even though we were both experienced car drivers and had distant memories of riding bikes. I don't think either of us candidates minded the teaching-granny-to-suck-eggs thing at all - I'm certainly happy to go through the very basics and give the appearance of knowing it all already, whilst quietly and discretely absorbing the bits that came as a surprise!

Then out to the bikes in the car park. Honda CG's, in perfectly serviceable condition, and on with learning just how much I had taught myself incorrectly all those years ago. I had absolutely no method or routine to how I braked, slowed or came to a halt, and very little finesse in going slowly, 'Jesus - How fast do you walk!!!!?' was my reward for going as slowly as I thought I could in response to the request to go at walking speed :)

Anyway, lots of patient practice later.

I'm a whizz at emergency / controlled stops, in that my 'normal' stops rely far too much on the front brake, and involve too much fork-dive, but I was able to improve, and lots of repeats were completed to get my brain around it.

Then figure-eights and U-turns (simple enough, say I, at this stage).

Then back inside for lunch (and complementary cans of fizzy pop) and discussion around road positioning and use of junctions.

Out onto the road for real for two hours that felt like five minutes, and the shock of how much wind-pressure there is on your chest when you get to 40mph.

I'm going to stake my claim that I got fewer corrective comments than my partner in crime in the course of the ride, though I did get myself into a slightly complicated situation at a junction: the instruction on approach was 'follow the road straight ahead', but the the choice was of three lanes - the right hand one was right only; the centre was ahead only and the left was obscured by queuing cars, so I couldn't tell if it was left-only, or left and ahead. On a Mod2, I will try to think clearly enough to take the left and go with it, but I let my car-driver brain guide me, and went for the centre lane. Fine, but once on the other side of the junction it become a right-only lane into a car park, and now I need to be in the left lane and there are drivers with better local knowledge already there, having crossed the cross-roads in the left lane. :(

So lots of mirrors, and a shoulder-check, and over I go into a (BIG) big gap. I'm told I could/should have indicated left too, and I would probably agree as an observer, but in the moment, I did what I would have done in a car and if nothing else, showed myself there are lots of opportunities to learn here.

Day over, CBT completed, certificate issued.

I'll call Alan in the week to talk about DAS.

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Post by Slowlycatchymonkey » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:13 pm

Sounds like a busy day. Amazing how much detail we remember and how tiring it is! Congrats.
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Post by mikestrivens » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:08 am

Good write up @narp .
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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by gsijay » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:30 am

I thought a CBT isn't a pass or fail test?

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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by SometimesSansEngine » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:48 am

It isn't @gsijay, but they may choose not to issue you with a certificate that day. The best schools will arrange for you to come back for a reduced fee/free for further basic training to get you to a safe level.

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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by Shadow125 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:58 pm

Hi all,

I had a very interesting experience at a place outside of Glasgow.
First day, me never having been on a bike, a woman in the same position and a 16 year old doing moped.
We were told by 11:30am we would not be on the road, by then I had reached gear changes up and down.
The woman only reached this by about 4pm.
The woman fell and took some time inside to regroup.
The young boy was taken to do slow manoeuvres, meanwhile i was left standing watching.
We were then taken inside to cover the afternoon portion so the young boy was able to go out as there was only one instructor.
We skipped figure of eight, U turn etc and went straight to Highway Code. Then asked to stay off the training pad so the boy could do emergency stop.
I was never told why I could not progress.

At the time I had full intentions of doing DAS, but after that I started to shop around. I found a school in Glasgow that I had a much better experience with, even just talking to. So I took a lesson with them, re sat my CBT with the original place and it went fine.

Now, on my second day there were four of us.
Myself, another woman, a guy who’s CBT was due to run out and a motocross rider.
The guy renewing had to use his own bike and the motor cross guy on a moped without gears and was advised to not tell anyone and just use his geared bike.
Many things happened this day, my bike would jam open at 4K revs which is daunting for a new rider but I was told it shouldn’t have been an issue as my clutch control should have taken care of that which is a huge ask for a brand new rider.
The guy renewing and the woman were unable to complete the figure eight, kept puting their feet down.
The woman had over all issues with control, did not do well on the emergency stop either.
We all set off on the road, the woman dropped the bike twice well in motion but was told to carry on. The third time at a notorious junction at the Strathclyde park, if anyone knows this area it’s always extremely hectic.
She went down, smashed the bike and had to get pillion back to the centre.
I absolutely do not blame her, her man is a police officer and the instructor ex police so I believe he was trying to get her passed as a favour.
Which the sentiment may be nice, he should have not spared her feelings but been honest and kept her safe.
My mrs was due in for her CBT with them which we could not get a refund for and I had to be very clear to not do the road ride if she was not sure.

After we returned from the road ride, the other two had already been and back. They were only out for 20 minutes and back in.

I have moved to another centre for my DAS.

My better half had to do another day for CBT which was fine, but when re booking she was told ‘we didn’t think you would take so long so it’s no longer £30 for a continuation but £100’
Out of principle and concern for safety she moved elsewhere to.

I have given serious consideration to reporting the place as I seen things that were very unsafe and actually illegal.
It cost us way more than it should have through a reputable place and the woman that crashed the day I was there should never have been allowed out for her own safety.

Me and my wife had a good talk about it, the centre it’s self treated woman very different from the men. Both woman I seen were let go on things that lead to dangerous situations where the men were held back and reprimanded for far less.
Which I prefer, I want to be safe and relayed this to my wife. Don’t let their overly positive attitude for woman get you killed on the road.
In a purely skill based pursuit, gender should not come into it.
The centre also offered lots of deals, half price CBTs, reduced DAS courses only for woman, as well as dolls and things in the club house.
I’m all for promotion etc but it was unprofessional and unsafe.

I don’t have Facebook or anything to leave them an honest review but I do want to share my experience as I fear something is going to go wrong when someone puts their faith in instructors like that.

Sorry for the long post, I hope that made some sense

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Post by dynax » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:17 pm

CBT completed and certificate issued :cheers: ,

All in all the day went really well, there were four of us and the first part was in a school playground with just 1 instructor working with each of us in turn on a 1 to 1 basis, but we worked in stages, which was great as we could share the experience with the other trainees, and watch the others do their parts, then on the ride out, we were split into 2 groups, and we covered riding in all manner of situations, country roads, dual carriageways, town centre, plenty of traffic lights, roundabouts, we were out for a good 2 and a half hours, i can really recommend EAW who did the training, great couple of guys, :cheers: :thumb:
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Post by Spongefinger » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:59 pm

Hi All,

Took my CBT last year but thought would share experience. I'm 49 had a couple of off road 125s when I was 16-18 so long time since I'd ridden. Turned up there was 7 of us there that day two guys around 40, four guys in their 20's and myself. Had the usual classroom chat and bike walk around, the 2 instructors seemed ok had a bit of a laugh. Walked bikes to paddock and all seemed to go well no foot down on slalom , figure of 8 , u - turn emergency stop we all seemed to get it but it was evident to me that the rest of the guys were a bit better than me. Got ready for road ride but they said they were only allowed to take 3 each so they asked if I could wait a come out by myself. I had a sneaky suspicion that they wanted to take me out one to one because I was the weakest but we're being polite about it. Anyway the other all came back smiling, laughing and slapping each other on the back looks like they had a great time. They all passed. Anyway came my time to go out and I went to bits with clutch control, I had been fine all the way through the paddock exercises but couldn't get it and the more I stalled the more if a state I got myself into. We pulled into a dead end and the instructor told me to take 5 and some deep breaths and calm down. Once I had he said I need you to u turn here, I tried and tried but kept putting my foot down then he looked and me and said " I really need you do this " I guess meaning if I didn't that was it. Anyway I couldn't we went back to center and I stalled again at a big busy junction. When we got there he said sorry but you have not made the standard today you need to come back for a hour if additional training. Feeling gutted I went home and was unsure if I even wanted to get back on a bike again. After a night sleep I rang up center as soon as it opened booked for two days time. Turned up different instructor seemed really nice guy. Took me to paddock and asked why I had to come back and I explained due to lack of clutch control. He took me through all manoeuvres again and seemed puzzled as I sailed through. Took me on road ride and it all just clicked helped by loads of praise and encouragement from 'Nev' turned out to be 30 minutes of heaven. Got back he wrote out my certificate and I grinned like a self abusing monkey for the rest of the day.

Don't be disheartened if you don't get it first time, we all learn at different speeds.

Edit - After I wrote this I read back through some others and was amazed at 2 day courses and 2 hour road rides. I think my instructors must have wanted to get home, pretty sure the whole thing was over in about 3 hours start to finish.

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Post by Blackholesun » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:48 pm

I did my CBT the other day and I have to say it was an unmitigated disaster.FIrstly I wanted to start by saying how much I was looking forward to it and was really excited.

There were 4 of us 2 lads who were Uber eats drivers who spoke no English and me and another guy who wanted to learn On geared bikes .

The instructor straight away said complete novices like me should learn on scooters but I said no...plus the fact I’ve had my licence so long I don’t even need a cbt to ride a 50cc scooter and I really had no interest in scooters.

Anyway after a brief chat we fired up the 125 and my nerves kicked in but what I felt was the worst part was after about a minute when I went forward and lost all sense of what I was doing and pulled the wrong levers and even pulled he throttle down.the instructor seemed to lose it with me and told me he was a traffic cop and had I heard about the guy in Aylesbury who died on a cbt and I clearly had not got i what I takes so get on a scooter.

I did what he said and it was going ok but it wasn’t what I wanted to do and I lost all my confidence and felt like a dick and the weather was shit absolutely pissing down.

He said we were going out on the road after lunch and I felt so bad and out of confidence that I decided to jack it in and go home....

I really felt like a failure last few days but haven’t lost the drive to want to learn how to ride.This experience was miserable but I really feel like the instructor was a terrible people person.I know he had my safety at the forefront of his mind and maybe all cbt places are the same but so many people seem to have a great experience and I’m disappointed mine wasn’t .

Maybe I don’t have the knack of gears and clutch etc but I can manage a car and bicycle so surely it can’t be beyond me.

Thanks for listening.

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Post by dynax » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:12 pm

Find another instructor but before you go ahead with the CBT ask to do a couple of hours tuition on a geared bike, it will cost you extra but having that tuition first will give you the chance just to concentrate on your clutch control :thumb:
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Post by Swagman » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:51 pm

Blackholesun wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:48 pm
I did my CBT the other day and I have to say it was an unmitigated disaster.FIrstly I wanted to start by saying how much I was looking forward to it and was really excited.

There were 4 of us 2 lads who were Uber eats drivers who spoke no English and me and another guy who wanted to learn On geared bikes .

The instructor straight away said complete novices like me should learn on scooters but I said no...plus the fact I’ve had my licence so long I don’t even need a cbt to ride a 50cc scooter and I really had no interest in scooters.

Anyway after a brief chat we fired up the 125 and my nerves kicked in but what I felt was the worst part was after about a minute when I went forward and lost all sense of what I was doing and pulled the wrong levers and even pulled he throttle down.the instructor seemed to lose it with me and told me he was a traffic cop and had I heard about the guy in Aylesbury who died on a cbt and I clearly had not got i what I takes so get on a scooter.

I did what he said and it was going ok but it wasn’t what I wanted to do and I lost all my confidence and felt like a dick and the weather was shit absolutely pissing down.

He said we were going out on the road after lunch and I felt so bad and out of confidence that I decided to jack it in and go home....

I really felt like a failure last few days but haven’t lost the drive to want to learn how to ride.This experience was miserable but I really feel like the instructor was a terrible people person.I know he had my safety at the forefront of his mind and maybe all cbt places are the same but so many people seem to have a great experience and I’m disappointed mine wasn’t .

Maybe I don’t have the knack of gears and clutch etc but I can manage a car and bicycle so surely it can’t be beyond me.

Thanks for listening.
Try not to panic if you can drive a car then you should be able to get to grips with a bike, when I learned there was no such thing as a CBT it was a case of jump on and get on with it, started with a 50 cc moped at 16 and as soon as I turned 17 straight on a 175 with no practice just bought the bike and rode it, I think the instructor must have upset you badly and that is the problem not that you can’t do it, as Dynax says get another training school with decent people and you should do fine. :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: CBT - Experiences of other Members

Post by SometimesSansEngine » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:04 pm

Remove it from your mind, ditch them and get another bike school.

A decent school wouldn't attempt to shoehorn you into a twist and go.

A decent instructor would have laughed off your first mistake, but kept an eye on your progress and suggest you come back for more training if you needed more tuition.

A CBT can be quite an intense day as there's a lot to learn if it's your first time (I know, I did it a couple of years ago) but with the right instructor you'll be fine. Clearly being a traffic cop doesn't make you a good teacher.

For what it's worth, I'm still in touch with the bike school and all the instructors I learnt with through to my full licence. A great bunch. That's what a good bike school is all about.

This isn't me in this vid, and it's mod 1 practice but not CBT, but reading your experience made me think of this video I watched when I was learning so I sought it out again. If your instructor isn't like this chap in this vid, change bike school

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