A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

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A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by AndyAlfa » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:24 pm

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At the tender age of 52 I would like to learn to ride a motorcycle. However, I’ve never sat in one let alone ridden one and dont know anyone within 300miles of home (Hexham, Northumberland) who owns one.

Even before reading the posts of others I’d been concerned that just turning up for a cbt id struggle with the gears and after a couple of hours of catastrophic attempts at best I’d wobble out into traffic a danger to myself and anyone else while all the kids who’ve been on pit bikes from age 5 are buzzing round the instructor.

What I need/want for my own confidence apart from anything else is a day on a bike on a private road (or airfield:) ) with an instructor.

I’ve approached many bike schools in the region to ask but I’d describe the response as dismissive or worse. It’s CBT or don’t bother pal.

Does anyone know of any school or trainer in the North East or Cumbria that offers one on one private road training with bike hire. Cost isn’t really an issue. If it’s the oldest most knackered bike in the world I don’t care as long as it works.

I can ride a bicycle, have held a clean car licence for 30years l, used to race a caterham and restore cars for a hobby.

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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by goat » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:41 pm

Can't help with private road tuition but don't dismiss the CBT. They won't let you out on the road if you are not ready, tuition will be a small group (2-1 for the road bit). Some places you can do a CBT on a scooter then a 1 to 1 session on a geared bike later on. Many have never ridden a motorbike before the CBT, myself included.
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by AndyAlfa » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:50 pm

I know I have to do a cbt before I can ride anything on the road. However, I’m 52 as noted and fairly proficient at everything else I do (Touch wood) but when it comes to bikes I really am at the very bottom and I really would be happier having time on a bike before entering a training session which may involve me, a bike and a road.

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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by Tiggie » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:10 pm

They won't let you near a road unless the instructor feels you are proficient enough :thumb:

They literally treat you as if you haven't seen a bike before. Show you how to get on it, what all the controls are, make you walk the bike etc.

You'll spend most of the day in a closed off carpark going around cones and practicing maneuvers. Only the last bit is on road.
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by onesea » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:22 pm

Tiggie wrote:
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They won't let you near a road unless the instructor feels you are proficient enough :thumb:

They literally treat you as if you haven't seen a bike before. Show you how to get on it, what all the controls are, make you walk the bike etc.

You'll spend most of the day in a closed off carpark going around cones and practicing maneuvers. Only the last bit is on road.
To the extent its not uncommon for people to have to come back and do a second day. Ask the right school they might give you 2 days CBT. Also watch on FB some schools offer taster sessions.

Local FB motorbike groups are often a good start, motorbikes and FB sadly run together and allot of good and bad advice (sorry contradictory good advice :D ) on it....
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by Tiggie » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:32 pm

Admittedly I did my CBT on a scooter :lol: (one of the training places bikes was out of action so they asked if anyone would mind riding a scooter)

First time I went near a geared bike was when it got delivered to the petrol station I worked at. After my shift ended I spent 20 minutes or so learning how to change gears by riding around the car park and doing laps of the car wash :lol:
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by AndyAlfa » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:41 pm

I’m not the only one - I see posts below give some horror stories too and I’ve read others. If you’ve never ridden a bike and you don’t know anyone who does the only thing you hear when you mention it is confident statements predicting death by the end of the week.

What’s a CBT cost £125 - 150. What’s a days training for middle age middle class wannabe like me worth - well the alternative is buy the helmet one would need anyway and a used bike, trailer and try and rent a field - which isn’t as good and world of hassle and cost say £2000 (as you don’t know anyone in the biking world who can just let you have a 125 cheap) - and ones got to get rid of the 125 shortly thereafter - which when your a 52 year old chartered accountant isn’t as easy as it sounds.

I’m surprised the training market isn’t more flexible and doesn’t recognise some people might be nervous.

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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by AndyAlfa » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:53 pm

“To the extent its not uncommon for people to have to come back and do a second day. Ask the right school they might give you 2 days CBT. Also watch on FB some schools offer taster sessions.”

Thanks - I have approached BMW just now as they do a two day CBT although I do not know what their affiliate training centre at Darlington offers.

No one else I’ve asked In the NE offers taster or one to one off road sessions at any price. They just launch into having to start with CBT and only CBT.
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by Tiggie » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:56 pm

The CBT literally shows you how to ride a bike from the ground up. An instructor will show you everything there is to know, you go at your own pace in a closed off car park.

As onesea mentioned as well, a lot of schools offer taster sessions which is usually 30/60 minutes with an instructor getting to play with one of the school's bikes in a closed off car park.

I'd check around to see if any of the school's near you offer this. I know one of the ones near me does but Bradford might be a little out of the way for you :lol:
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by Bender » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:59 pm

Hi @AndyAlfa

Did you try Newcastle rider training, owner is called Neil, they have a reasonable size yard for off road training and I'm sure if you tell them you want to do a cbt but you may like a bit extra practice it shouldn't be a problem.

I went through the system only a few years back and I found them to be fine.

As said if they don't think your ready you won't get out on the road, and when you do its first stop local industrial estate.

If you can ride a pushbike you can ride a motorbike, it's just the co-ordination with clutch/throttle/gears that takes practice.

Assuming you drive a car you already have reasonable grasp on road craft it's just transferring that to the bike with a few adjustments.

Ohhh and now you know someone with a bike thats way less than 300 miles away.
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by AndyAlfa » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:16 am

“I'd check around to see if any of the school's near you offer this. I know one of the ones near me does but Bradford might be a little out of the way for you”

Assume it’s not - I lived in Leeds (Pudsey and Moortown) for a long long time to the extent I developed a Yorkshire accent ( still miss it in a way) and pre Covid was there fortnightly. What are they called?

Your not called Matt and used to own GSXR by any chance?

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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by AndyAlfa » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:19 am

Did you try Newcastle rider training, owner is called Neil, they have a reasonable size yard for off road training and I'm sure if you tell them you want to do a cbt but you may like a bit extra practice it shouldn't be a problem.

I did a while ago first as I think they are closest to me and they only offered cbt.

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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by Tiggie » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:29 am

Nope I'm not called Matt :lol:

It's called two wheel school. Based in Eccleshill, Bradford. They used to have a few sites but have merged them all into one.

This is an excerpt from their website that might interest you:
We also offer a service called CBT preparation, it is aimed at complete novices who may be lacking in confidence or not sure if the whole thing is for them. Basically what happens is you come to our CBT site and have a go! It is proper tuition in a safe environment and we get you to the point where you can return and take a full CBT confidently. Usually it is between 1 and 2 hours at the beginning or end of the day. Ring to arrange.
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by Bender » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:02 am

Stick this into Google

off road moto blyth

They specialise in off road if they can't help you out they should know anyone in the area that can.

If not I have a mate who knows the owner of another training school I can ask him if they can help.
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Re: A CBT - Introduction to motorcycles training

Post by learningtofly » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:33 am

OP, my experience suggests that most of the people who join you on their CBT will not have sat on a bike before. The trainers are used to it and expect it, so don't worry unnecessarily.

I'm sure you'll be fine if you just go ahead and book yourself in.

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