Election

We'll see what happens later in the year when another GE is called because the coalition of chaos fails!

 

This hits the nail squarely on the head: Despite all the daft Obi wan Kenobi memes and "Jez we can!" enthusiasm of his supporters, Corbyn's best chance of success has come entirely from the bizarre political suicide of his opponent. This is the new benchmark of success for Labour, is it?

On the positive side, the knives are already out for May so we won't have to put up with her for much longer, which also raises the tantalising possibility of Boris as PM... [attachment=0]IMG_1296.JPG[/attachment]

Isn't that how the Tories ousted Brown in the first place?

Anyway, Labour surging ahead of the Tories in the polls, Corbyn's approval rating above May's, 150,000 new members join the Labour party since Thursday.

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Had to have a chuckle at this:

Had this been 2 weeks ago no doubt the Sun headline would be: Misogynist terrorist sympathiser is Marxist sex attack further proving ties to the IRA.

Bad to have a chuckle at this:

It was noted on the Last Leg election special that the public got hacked off with the media for picking on little daft moments and awkwardness, in particular by Corbyn. People like him and if anything those moments make him far more human than May, with her running through wheat comment, can ever do.

For me this election means;

1 - the SNP have to accept the Scottish people do not want another referendum and are happy in the Union with devo max as the preferred option. To lose 21 seats, mainly to the strongly remain Conservatives, is a massive "no" to independence.

2 - the Conservatives had the Lib Dems by the balls during that coalition. The DUP, by being better at negotiating (years of dealing with Sinn Fein) and not entering a coalition, now have the Conservatives by the balls. They will be much better at getting what they want. That will make NI politics very interesting and I wonder if Sinn Fein might decide to start appearing at Westminster

3 - two no overall majority parliaments in three elections, the people are starting to make it clear to the parties that seeking consensus and cooperation is the way forward.

4 - hopefully we will see the rise of the nice, honest, open, politician (Corbyn) who people can relate to, and the born to it, fields of wheat toff will die away.

For me this election means;

1 - the SNP have to accept the Scottish people do not want another referendum and are happy in the Union with devo max as the preferred option. To lose 21 seats, mainly to the strongly remain Conservatives, is a massive "no" to independence.

2 - the Conservatives had the Lib Dems by the balls during that coalition. The DUP, by being better at negotiating (years of dealing with Sinn Fein) and not entering a coalition, now have the Conservatives by the balls. They will be much better at getting what they want. That will make NI politics very interesting and I wonder if Sinn Fein might decide to start appearing at Westminster

3 - two no overall majority parliaments in three elections, the people are starting to make it clear to the parties that seeking consensus and cooperation is the way forward.

4 - hopefully we will see the rise of the nice, honest, open, politician (Corbyn) who people can relate to, and the born to it, fields of wheat toff will die away.

Good points, Throttled.

The only one I'm going to comment on is #2: Gerry Adams has stated that Sinn Fein will not be taking up their seats in Westminster. They have, however, started a legal challenge on whether the Tory/DUP alliance is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement. In any case, the DUP will not be able to support the Tories on any vote concerning English laws due to EVEL.

Anyway......it's a nice day here......so I'm off out on the bike......

I've been trying to stay out of this!

but I can't let point 4 above go,

Corbyn? nice, open, honest?

That's really not how I see him!

I find him weird, strange and even slightly creepy!

I've stayed well away from most of this but when the choices are between an out and out commie or a robot that just spews out spin thought up by a sixth form debating society is it any wonder that the country was completely divided?

Introduce just ONE fecking personality and it would have been a landslide. I've sent a begging email to Ruth Davidson asking her to consider running for Westminster when the inevitable second General Election of 2017 happens in October.

I'll even reconsider my current position and actually vote Tory again if Ruth were in charge.

In the meantime, my bike and outfit is fittingly orange so I personally have nothing to fear from the DUP but I'm worried about some of you guys with Kermits....

I've been trying to stay out of this!

but I can't let point 4 above go,

Corbyn? nice, open, honest?

That's really not how I see him!

I find him weird, strange and even slightly creepy!

Like a pedo geography teacher..

I've been trying to stay out of this!

but I can't let point 4 above go,

Corbyn? nice, open, honest?

That's really not how I see him!

I find him weird, strange and even slightly creepy!

No you haven't, this thread is peppered with your bile towards the man. It's almost like one of their key policies was to tax caravan discos!

The guy was never given a chance - the media coverage has been disgraceful ever since he was voted in to lead Labour. Even the Grauniad took up Blair's discredited new-liberal line for month's on end. The BBC supplied month's of coverage of this character assassination, without balance, and encouraged members of the party to stab him in the back...and the fact that they coordinated a series of resignations should have been enough to have them closed down.

So, I'm not surprised people continue to trot out the trite personal comments about Corbyn, it's all they've been fed by a system with nothing to gain and everything to lose if he wins. The one-sided attacks on his policies that fail to look at the way the Tories have increased national debt to unprecedented levels. Corbyn has a money tree? Then what the flip were all of the uncosted policies in the Tory manifesto? How has Dave and Theresa managed to £800billion to £1.7trillion since 2010 while cutting benefits and wages to the poorest in society? While destroying the police, education and the NHS? It's because of the field day the rich have had in tax cuts - his money tree can be found in the tax evasion forest.

And those who don't get why he can't be more like that nice Mr Blair...it's because neo-liberalism and austerity is dead as a concept. It has only ever benefitted the rich and was roundly rejected by everybody who voted Corbyn to lead and failed to vote for May. Look around the world, look at the internal investment rates via quantities easing - look at Japan, and Europe, and the USA in 2016. All of them dwarf us. The Tories have mismanaged the economy from start to not-quite-finished...and yet Corbyn is the bad guy? And yet he's the fiscally irresponsible one?

Nah. I'm not buying it.

If you do all those things you will push the big multinational companies away, and scare off the financial sector. With Brexit many companies are already considering leaving the UK in favour of mainland Europe.

Also you will cause a brain drain as the high tax payers decide to emigrate or structure their finances in a way to avoid the tax entirely.

Don't tax income, tax savings that would encourage people to spend more money rather than save it. Net result would be a boost to the economy and the generation of more jobs thus reducing the welfare payouts... Although the lazy Brits would still sit on their arses and moan about "the immigrants" taking their jobs.. lol

Individual votes casted Tories got 13.6 million votes and labour got 12.8 million votes, largely down to the clever campaign aimed at youngsters without a clue on social media.

Personally I voted Tory as I believe they do a better job in a bad bunch and they started this brexit road and I want them to continue, I don't pull a try k apart at work and expect someone to know my logic on organisation and be able to put it together. they already have a plan in place how ever full of pitfuls it is it's better than what another party can throw together in 11 days. Again I voted brexit too.

Corbyn is a nice bloke I'm sure buy it's easy to promise the world when you don't have the power, and the Labour are expecting to be able to stretch this corporation tax rise to pay for everything they promise?

And free tuition for students? No! Pay for it and pay back your fees I know of too many people that went to uni for the crack lived off their student grants and loans and never intended to pay it back because they didn't even want to work in the area they studied

Tories won don't matter if it's an inch or a mile a wins a win and labour need to crawl back u fed their rock with the monster raving loonie party :)

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Individual votes casted Tories got 13.6 million votes and labour got 12.8 million votes, largely down to the clever campaign aimed at youngsters without a clue on social media.

Personally I voted Tory as I believe they do a better job in a bad bunch and they started this brexit road and I want them to continue, I don't pull a try k apart at work and expect someone to know my logic on organisation and be able to put it together. they already have a plan in place how ever full of pitfuls it is it's better than what another party can throw together in 11 days. Again I voted brexit too.

Corbyn is a nice bloke I'm sure buy it's easy to promise the world when you don't have the power, and the Labour are expecting to be able to stretch this corporation tax rise to pay for everything they promise?

And free tuition for students? No! Pay for it and pay back your fees I know of too many people that went to uni for the crack lived off their student grants and loans and never intended to pay it back because they didn't even want to work in the area they studied

Tories won don't matter if it's an inch or a mile a wins a win and labour need to crawl back u fed their rock with the monster raving loonie party :)

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The Tories didn't win either, though. Hence why they are trying to scrabble together a coalition of chaos with a bunch of gay hating, anti abortionist, terrorists.

"Youngsters without a clue"

The only clueless one is your weak and wobbly leader. She wanted a mandate for a hard brexit and got laughed away.

Thanks to the Tories, you no longer have a majority and in all likeliness will get the softest of brexits going.

Seems Mayhem is remain after all

Sorry mate, but writing off youngsters as clueless and wittering on about social media campaigns does not become you.

In the past I've been a dyed in the wool Consrvative but recently have become increasingly disillusioned at the general world outlook from all parties.

The youth, as a voting bloc, are a very broad church. Yes I'm sure plenty have been done well by the social media stuff but that isn't necessarily a bad thing as it increases general political awareness and empowers sprogs by educating them through a medium that they themselves use. Cameron had it right when all that stuff on tinder came out. Reach people by using the tools of communication they use rather than expecting everyone to follow the same old.

However, we shouldn't underestimate the youth just because they're young. Many don't remember or don't care about the IRA. For many of us it will all remain important but for someone just turning voting age there hasn't been an IRA bomb in their lifetime so it's just history. Like when we look curiously at our grandparents or parents who rant on about the gerrrrmans etc.

Corbyn has given them (in my view a catastrophically badly costed) a series of measures which they see as being more fair. These guys don't recall the winter of discontent or miners strikes or having to take cold baths before school because there was no power (yay, Wales in the 70s and early 80s was such fun!) so they don't understand the damage that a properly left wing labour government would wreak upon our economy.

Many of the 'youth' are well past university so it's not all about tuition fees. It's about ideology and the concept of fairness. I've been spending some of my spare time with some youngsters recently and they genuinely believe this shite. As Maggie once said, 'the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money'.

The concept is fine and in an ideal world, communism would be brilliant, but in today's world we do have to pay the bill at the end of it. What the Consevatives utterly failed to do was reach that audience and say that yes it's fairer for those of us alive today but after Corbyn is dead you and your children and your grandchildren will still be paying for it so ultimately it's probably a bad idea, non? Without actually reaching that audience, who are now more interested in voting than ever before, no party can succeed.

Politics has changed dramatically, for the better actually, so governments now need to do a lot more than just protect the NHS and pensions in order to get a majority.

It’s interesting how often media bias – on closer inspection - is almost indistinguishable from factual reporting of stuff you just didn’t like to hear. Now I’m not for a moment holding the British media up as some paragon of impartiality (not least because I’ve been on the receiving end of their mischief-making myself) but when politicians give idiotic answers – or indeed no answers at all – to perfectly reasonable questions you simply cannot lay the blame at the media’s door, however much you’d like to.

Take Corbyn’s famous Woman’s Hour meltdown, when Emma Barnett asked him what his flagship childcare policy was going to cost. Even the most dim-witted observer of political interviews will have noticed that whenever a new policy is announced two questions immediately follow with elegant inevitability:

1. WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST?

2. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?

Corbyn never made it to the second question, floundering around over the cost whilst fingering his manifesto nervously and desperately willing his iPad to yield up the magic number. This is rank incompetence, plain and simple. It was especially amateurish in light of Diane Abbott’s track record of random-number generation in previous interviews, and the fact that one of the charges a Labour leader should be particularly sensitive to is the old chestnut about them not being a party that can be trusted with public money.

So big deal: Corbyn f*cked up, as politicians from all sides do. But with tedious predictability Twitter was immediately filled to bursting with rabid Corbynistas dismissing the interviewer as a ‘partisan Zionist shill’ and other equally fatuous and far less palatable monikers, which – even if true – have no bearing whatsoever on the fact that their hopeless leader elected to give an interview to the BBC to discuss his flagship policy without knowing his figures.

So, I’m sorry: the charge of media bias against Corbyn is simply insufficient on its own to excuse his lacklustre performance: listening to him on PMQs is a masterclass in missing open goals and punching himself in the face when any other leader would have May on the ropes; the banality of his answers on Question Time; his hopelessly inadequate EU referendum performance; the downright brainless decisions he is apt to make – and on and on it goes.

And as for the charge that the media never gave Corbyn a fair trial? After 30 years as a complete political nonentity I think perhaps the trial period might be coming to an end.

There is no newspaper in Britain that is truely impartial.

And I know for sure out of all the mainstream press only 2 exist who were pro Corbyn.

Yes the right wingers did a great job

If you do all those things you will push the big multinational companies away, and scare off the financial sector. With Brexit many companies are already considering leaving the UK in favour of mainland Europe.

Also you will cause a brain drain as the high tax payers decide to emigrate or structure their finances in a way to avoid the tax entirely.

Corporation tax hikes also hit small and medium sized businesses (who tend to pay their taxes) much harder than the big boys (who often don't bother).

Corbyn just tried bribed the students... his manifesto in his next campaign includes free insurance for motorcyclist and he'll pay any motorcyclist mortgage off .. Well he's got my vote

Well, yes the Tories won.....and now get to negotiate a Brexit deal with the support of their new best friends..... Good luck with that.....

Corbyn just tried bribed the students... his manifesto in his next campaign includes free insurance for motorcyclist and he'll pay any motorcyclist mortgage off .. Well he's got my vote

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

Corbyn just tried bribed the students... his manifesto in his next campaign includes free insurance for motorcyclist and he'll pay any motorcyclist mortgage off .. Well he's got my vote

 

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

Promises promises ....

Corbyn just tried bribed the students... his manifesto in his next campaign includes free insurance for motorcyclist and he'll pay any motorcyclist mortgage off .. Well he's got my vote

 

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

Tut tut - that really won't do. Plenty of us who voted against Corbyn want a fairer society - we just don't fancy going back to the 1970s in the process.

Corbyn just tried bribed the students... his manifesto in his next campaign includes free insurance for motorcyclist and he'll pay any motorcyclist mortgage off .. Well he's got my vote

 

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

 

Promises promises ....

Sorry six.

Forgot conservative government always tell the truth....

Hillsborough. Orgreave. Army in police uniform.

Ring any bells.

Ding ding old lad

Corbyn just tried bribed the students... his manifesto in his next campaign includes free insurance for motorcyclist and he'll pay any motorcyclist mortgage off .. Well he's got my vote

 

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

 

Tut tut - that really won't do. Plenty of us who voted against Corbyn want a fairer society - we just don't fancy going back to the 1970s in the process.

Don't let's get personal Mark with the tut tut shite.

It's been civil