Election

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

 

Tut tut - that really won't do. Plenty of us who voted against Corbyn want a fairer society - we just don't fancy going back to the 1970s in the process.

Don't let's get personal Mark with the tut tut shite.

It's been civil

Eh?

Tut tut - that really won't do. Plenty of us who voted against Corbyn want a fairer society - we just don't fancy going back to the 1970s in the process.

Don't let's get personal Mark with the tut tut shite.

It's been civil

 

Eh?

I may have been a little defensive there.

Tut tut round here is a proper piss take.

Don't let's get personal Mark with the tut tut shite.

It's been civil

 

Eh?

I may have been a little defensive there.

Tut tut round here is a proper piss take.

Bloody Yorkshiremen! No worries mate - no offence was intended.

Or perhaps some people prefer the idea of a fairer society

 

Promises promises ....

Sorry six.

Forgot conservative government always tell the truth....

Hillsborough. Orgreave. Army in police uniform.

Ring any bells.

Ding ding old lad

They are all as bad as one another ... I'm not siding with conservatives... Corbyn is just the biggest Nob ever.

There is some good news for all the Corbyn voters though ....conservatives have said they are going to spend more money on

mental health

Don't let's get personal Mark with the tut tut shite.

It's been civil

 

Eh?

I may have been a little defensive there.

Tut tut round here is a proper piss take.

Is it , I never new that Neil I won't keep saying it though

Promises promises ....

Sorry six.

Forgot conservative government always tell the truth....

Hillsborough. Orgreave. Army in police uniform.

Ring any bells.

Ding ding old lad

 

They are all as bad as one another ... I'm not siding with conservatives... Corbyn is just the biggest Nob ever.

There is some good news for all the Corbyn voters though ....conservatives have said they are going to spend more money on

mental health

You sir are a tool

A motorbike forum where people can have a political debate with people of opposing views without anyone getting personal or insulting!!!

This place is a pariah amongst motorcycle forums! Or maybe it just attracts members of the more intelligent variety?

A motorbike forum where people can have a political debate with people of opposing views without anyone getting personal or insulting!!!

This place is a pariah amongst motorcycle forums! Or maybe it just attracts members of the more intelligent variety?

Who are you calling a pariah!.......

It’s interesting how often media bias – on closer inspection - is almost indistinguishable from factual reporting of stuff you just didn’t like to hear. Now I’m not for a moment holding the British media up as some paragon of impartiality (not least because I’ve been on the receiving end of their mischief-making myself) but when politicians give idiotic answers – or indeed no answers at all – to perfectly reasonable questions you simply cannot lay the blame at the media’s door, however much you’d like to.

Take Corbyn’s famous Woman’s Hour meltdown, when Emma Barnett asked him what his flagship childcare policy was going to cost. Even the most dim-witted observer of political interviews will have noticed that whenever a new policy is announced two questions immediately follow with elegant inevitability:

1. WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST?

2. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?

Corbyn never made it to the second question, floundering around over the cost whilst fingering his manifesto nervously and desperately willing his iPad to yield up the magic number. This is rank incompetence, plain and simple. It was especially amateurish in light of Diane Abbott’s track record of random-number generation in previous interviews, and the fact that one of the charges a Labour leader should be particularly sensitive to is the old chestnut about them not being a party that can be trusted with public money.

So big deal: Corbyn f*cked up, as politicians from all sides do. But with tedious predictability Twitter was immediately filled to bursting with rabid Corbynistas dismissing the interviewer as a ‘partisan Zionist shill’ and other equally fatuous and far less palatable monikers, which – even if true – have no bearing whatsoever on the fact that their hopeless leader elected to give an interview to the BBC to discuss his flagship policy without knowing his figures.

So, I’m sorry: the charge of media bias against Corbyn is simply insufficient on its own to excuse his lacklustre performance: listening to him on PMQs is a masterclass in missing open goals and punching himself in the face when any other leader would have May on the ropes; the banality of his answers on Question Time; his hopelessly inadequate EU referendum performance; the downright brainless decisions he is apt to make – and on and on it goes.

And as for the charge that the media never gave Corbyn a fair trial? After 30 years as a complete political nonentity I think perhaps the trial period might be coming to an end.

I wont hold my breath waiting for the Murdoch/Dacre empire to label the Tories as terrorist sympathisers.

It’s interesting how often media bias – on closer inspection - is almost indistinguishable from factual reporting of stuff you just didn’t like to hear. Now I’m not for a moment holding the British media up as some paragon of impartiality (not least because I’ve been on the receiving end of their mischief-making myself) but when politicians give idiotic answers – or indeed no answers at all – to perfectly reasonable questions you simply cannot lay the blame at the media’s door, however much you’d like to.

Take Corbyn’s famous Woman’s Hour meltdown, when Emma Barnett asked him what his flagship childcare policy was going to cost. Even the most dim-witted observer of political interviews will have noticed that whenever a new policy is announced two questions immediately follow with elegant inevitability:

1. WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST?

2. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?

Corbyn never made it to the second question, floundering around over the cost whilst fingering his manifesto nervously and desperately willing his iPad to yield up the magic number. This is rank incompetence, plain and simple. It was especially amateurish in light of Diane Abbott’s track record of random-number generation in previous interviews, and the fact that one of the charges a Labour leader should be particularly sensitive to is the old chestnut about them not being a party that can be trusted with public money.

So big deal: Corbyn f*cked up, as politicians from all sides do. But with tedious predictability Twitter was immediately filled to bursting with rabid Corbynistas dismissing the interviewer as a ‘partisan Zionist shill’ and other equally fatuous and far less palatable monikers, which – even if true – have no bearing whatsoever on the fact that their hopeless leader elected to give an interview to the BBC to discuss his flagship policy without knowing his figures.

So, I’m sorry: the charge of media bias against Corbyn is simply insufficient on its own to excuse his lacklustre performance: listening to him on PMQs is a masterclass in missing open goals and punching himself in the face when any other leader would have May on the ropes; the banality of his answers on Question Time; his hopelessly inadequate EU referendum performance; the downright brainless decisions he is apt to make – and on and on it goes.

And as for the charge that the media never gave Corbyn a fair trial? After 30 years as a complete political nonentity I think perhaps the trial period might be coming to an end.

 

I wont hold my breath waiting for the Murdoch/Dacre empire to label the Tories as terrorist sympathisers.

How on earth did Gove wiggle his way back into the limelight?

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I wont hold my breath waiting for the Murdoch/Dacre empire to label the Tories as terrorist sympathisers.

There is a lazy assumption that pervades political discussions at the moment, which is that if you don't support Corbyn you are by necessity a dupe of the mainstream media. It's as though their portrayal of Corbyn as a slow-witted fool with hopelessly simplistic and outdated ideas automatically precludes the possibility that he might - in fact - be a slow-witted fool with hopelessly simplistic and outdated ideas.

There are only two places I read the Murdoch press: in the hairdressers, and in the Chinese when I'm waiting for a take-out. It is - without exception - low-grade, simplistic brain-rotting drivel, and in my opinion anyone who relies on it to inform their political opinions shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place. I mean come one - it's not as though the journalism in more high-brow papers is unintelligible to anyone without a PhD in political science, is it? But I digress...

Not all of us judge Corbyn by what the newspapers say. We judge him by what comes out of his own mouth, by how he responds to political interrogation, by the painful inevitability with which he blunders into the patently booby-trapped questions that cock-sure interviewers lay for all their interviewees, and by his actions.

I first came across Corbyn's brand of politics as a teenager in the late 1980s. I was born and brought up on a university campus, surrounded by a fascinating collection of mainstream and more oddball academics. One of our neighbours was a professor of social anthropology who had traveled extensively in China and was a total convert to Chinese socialism, and with his blue Mao Suit and copy of the Little Red Book (from which he would quote at length) he was an odd figure by any standards. He remained a family friend until he died a couple of years ago, and in all that time I never understood how anyone could have been so completely bowled over by such simplistic and asinine twaddle.

And then a couple of years ago Corbyn popped up as the prospective Labour leader, and I thought "Oh Jesus - you've got to be kidding. Not this shite again..."

I wont hold my breath waiting for the Murdoch/Dacre empire to label the Tories as terrorist sympathisers.

 

There is a lazy assumption that pervades political discussions at the moment, which is that if you don't support Corbyn you are by necessity a dupe of the mainstream media. It's as though their portrayal of Corbyn as a slow-witted fool with hopelessly simplistic and outdated ideas automatically precludes the possibility that he might - in fact - be a slow-witted fool with hopelessly simplistic and outdated ideas.

There are only two places I read the Murdoch press: in the hairdressers, and in the Chinese when I'm waiting for a take-out. It is - without exception - low-grade, simplistic brain-rotting drivel, and in my opinion anyone who relies on it to inform their political opinions shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place. I mean come one - it's not as though the journalism in more high-brow papers is unintelligible to anyone without a PhD in political science, is it? But I digress...

Not all of us judge Corbyn by what the newspapers say. We judge him by what comes out of his own mouth, by how he responds to political interrogation, by the painful inevitability with which he blunders into the patently booby-trapped questions that cock-sure interviewers lay for all their interviewees, and by his actions.

I first came across Corbyn's brand of politics as a teenager in the late 1980s. I was born and brought up on a university campus, surrounded by a fascinating collection of mainstream and more oddball academics. One of our neighbours was a professor of social anthropology who had traveled extensively in China and was a total convert to Chinese socialism, and with his blue Mao Suit and copy of the Little Red Book (from which he would quote at length) he was an odd figure by any standards. He remained a family friend until he died a couple of years ago, and in all that time I never understood how anyone could have been so completely bowled over by such simplistic and asinine twaddle.

And then a couple of years ago Corbyn popped up as the prospective Labour leader, and I thought "Oh Jesus - you've got to be kidding. Not this shite again..."

I'm not saying otherwise. And i agree.

It's quite clear the Murdoch media had little effect on the outcome of this election and, thanks to election impartiality rules, Corbyn got his message across to voters.

He didn't win, far from it, but every single party that ever won an election had to make inroads somewhere.

The notion that the Tories won, however, is the same as saying you went into a casino with £50, lost £40 and declaring you won a tenner.

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I'm not saying otherwise. And i agree.

It's quite clear the Murdoch media had little effect on the outcome of this election and, thanks to election impartiality rules, Corbyn got his message across to voters.

He didn't win, far from it, but every single party that ever won an election had to make inroads somewhere.

The notion that the Tories won, however, is the same as saying you went into a casino with £50, lost £40 and declaring you won a tenner.

The only winners in this election are the EU, who are pissing themselves laughing.

I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination - it was just a case of choosing what I felt was the 'least worst' option. But this will surely go down as one of the greatest strategic blunders in Tory party history: to call an election when you had no need to, and then to run a campaign (if we can even dignify it with such a title) that was so poor it had people speculating that she was deliberately trying to lose - including announcing policies that specifically disadvantaged her core support base! Unbelievably inept.

And yet despite all of that Corbyn still didn't even come close to winning, and it has taken a deeply worrying Tory alliance with the most extreme and distasteful bunch going to push him into a positive position. I can only conclude that Momentum and I have a very different concept of what constitutes a vindication of their candidate.

Not all of us judge Corbyn by what the newspapers say. We judge him by what comes out of his own mouth...

How many rallies and speeches of his have you attended?

Which politicians did you consider performed well for the media during the election campaign?

Do you listen to Women's Hour every day or was this a one-off occasion because of your interest in obtaining information about Labour's policies?

I first came across Corbyn's brand of politics as a teenager in the late 1980s.

And then a couple of years ago Corbyn popped up as the prospective Labour leader, and I thought "Oh Jesus - you've got to be kidding. Not this shite again..."

So, are you claiming to be an expert on Chinese socialism?

Are you categorically stating that Corbyn's political outlook is one and the same as Mao's?

Why can't you let it go? You're a Tory, you don't like him - that's fine, none of us have to like everybody. But why the fiction? You can dislike his policies that a staggering number of people find reasonable, you can wish for a neo-liberal leader that the party doesn't want, but why invent stuff? To accuse him of being a disciple of Mao (and thereby a student of planned economies) is drifting off into fantastical nonsense; as any cursory examination of his speeches and plans would attest.

I appreciate other political perspectives, I get the fire-poking contributions Six makes, and I believe you're an intelligent and humorous chap - so I don't get why you can't simply stick to facts about why you dislike Corbyn? I'd plump for the beard, my Mum told me never to trust men with beards. (*I have a beard)

He ran an outstanding campaign and made some human errors, even the bulk of the PLP have congratulated him and expressed their surprise. My reservation with him comes down to his choice for some of the shadow posts - but then, when your PLP is in open warfare with you and carrying out planned resignations (coordinated by the BBC) I kinda guess you have to take the Diane Abbotts where you find them.

FWIW, I cancelled my membership of Labour during the last leadership election after he won.

Not all of us judge Corbyn by what the newspapers say. We judge him by what comes out of his own mouth...

 

How many rallies and speeches of his have you attended?

Which politicians did you consider performed well for the media during the election campaign?

Do you listen to Women's Hour every day or was this a one-off occasion because of your interest in obtaining information about Labour's policies?

 

I first came across Corbyn's brand of politics as a teenager in the late 1980s.

And then a couple of years ago Corbyn popped up as the prospective Labour leader, and I thought "Oh Jesus - you've got to be kidding. Not this shite again..."

So, are you claiming to be an expert on Chinese socialism?

Are you categorically stating that Corbyn's political outlook is one and the same as Mao's?

Why can't you let it go? You're a Tory, you don't like him - that's fine, none of us have to like everybody. But why the fiction? You can dislike his policies that a staggering number of people find reasonable, you can wish for a neo-liberal leader that the party doesn't want, but why invent stuff? To accuse him of being a disciple of Mao (and thereby a student of planned economies) is drifting off into fantastical nonsense; as any cursory examination of his speeches and plans would attest.

I appreciate other political perspectives, I get the fire-poking contributions Six makes, and I believe you're an intelligent and humorous chap - so I don't get why you can't simply stick to facts about why you dislike Corbyn? I'd plump for the beard, my Mum told me never to trust men with beards. (*I have a beard)

He ran an outstanding campaign and made some human errors, even the bulk of the PLP have congratulated him and expressed their surprise. My reservation with him comes down to his choice for some of the shadow posts - but then, when your PLP is in open warfare with you and carrying out planned resignations (coordinated by the BBC) I kinda guess you have to take the Diane Abbotts where you find them.

FWIW, I cancelled my membership of Labour during the last leadership election after he won.

Twaddle.

A motorbike forum where people can have a political debate with people of opposing views without anyone getting personal or insulting!!!

Aaaaand it's over.

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A motorbike forum where people can have a political debate with people of opposing views without anyone getting personal or insulting!!!

 

Aaaaand it's over.

You call me a Tory and then claim to be the offended party?

Sorry mate, but I haven't got the time or the inclination to unpick all the irrelevant premises, false assumptions and schizophrenic leaps of reasoning in that lot.

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Gave me a twitch downstairs that.

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Gave me a twitch downstairs that.

You nearly got an Election you mean

Not all of us judge Corbyn by what the newspapers say. We judge him by what comes out of his own mouth...

 

How many rallies and speeches of his have you attended?

Which politicians did you consider performed well for the media during the election campaign?

Do you listen to Women's Hour every day or was this a one-off occasion because of your interest in obtaining information about Labour's policies?

 

I first came across Corbyn's brand of politics as a teenager in the late 1980s.

And then a couple of years ago Corbyn popped up as the prospective Labour leader, and I thought "Oh Jesus - you've got to be kidding. Not this shite again..."

So, are you claiming to be an expert on Chinese socialism?

Are you categorically stating that Corbyn's political outlook is one and the same as Mao's?

Why can't you let it go? You're a Tory, you don't like him - that's fine, none of us have to like everybody. But why the fiction? You can dislike his policies that a staggering number of people find reasonable, you can wish for a neo-liberal leader that the party doesn't want, but why invent stuff? To accuse him of being a disciple of Mao (and thereby a student of planned economies) is drifting off into fantastical nonsense; as any cursory examination of his speeches and plans would attest.

I appreciate other political perspectives, I get the fire-poking contributions Six makes, and I believe you're an intelligent and humorous chap - so I don't get why you can't simply stick to facts about why you dislike Corbyn? I'd plump for the beard, my Mum told me never to trust men with beards. (*I have a beard)

He ran an outstanding campaign and made some human errors, even the bulk of the PLP have congratulated him and expressed their surprise. My reservation with him comes down to his choice for some of the shadow posts - but then, when your PLP is in open warfare with you and carrying out planned resignations (coordinated by the BBC) I kinda guess you have to take the Diane Abbotts where you find them.

FWIW, I cancelled my membership of Labour during the last leadership election after he won.

FWIW I joined the Labour Party, specifically to vote for him as I had assumed he would make Labour completely unelectable for the next ten years. No one could have predicted the utterly ourtrageously bad 'campaign' run by May nor how well recieved Corbyn's campaign would be in comparison. Oops!